Does it Make Any Sense?

maha said:
yes but 1/8 off center isnt going to miss most shots. but 1/4 tip certainly can.

in any case he needs to learn to shoot straight not try to make up for it with aiming changes.
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You're missing the point of an intended touch of spin. 1/8th of right would be the intention so 1/4 will still be a deviation of just 1/8 of intended. It's not like the player is aiming up a touch to one side of center and still playing it as if at true center. The mishit is still of just 1/8th, just as it would be if he aimed up at center. The key difference is that now his entire dispersion range is on the right side of center instead of split between left and right.

I get what SA is saying about 1/4 off center being a bigger deviation than 1/8 to either side, but taking straight shots out of the equation, which I agree with TinMan def don't need spin even if some top pros swear by it on everything, having a certain type of spin on shots helps make them higher percentage and as JV pointed out, there are certainly shots where you'd much rather aim for 1/8th outside and end up with 1/4 outside than aim for center and end up with 1/8th inside. And really, I just threw out these easy fractions as an example and would assume good players who are comfortable with spin have tighter dispersion patterns than 1/4tip and will certainly be well inside that on the vast majority of shots.
 
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j2pac said:
The next time you are banging a few balls with the other player, just mention that you've noticed them doing A, B, C, etc, and tell them that you're genuinely curious about the routine/practice. At the very least you've opened the door to conversation.
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I would like to know if he thinks he is hitting it in the center of the ball. This is the simplest of knowing where to aim --- a straight shot.

If in conversation with him he tells you he is hitting center ball to center ball? See Joe Tucker and Third Eye gizmo.
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pt109 said:
We had a good snooker when I was young who aimed with extreme left to make a long straight shot on a 6 x 12…..but was hitting center ball.
……I asked him why he did that….he said he wanted to see where to hit the cue ball without the cue blocking his view….Jimmy Moore had a similar approach.
So if this kid is making the straight shots without whitey spinning, he may be doing the same thing.
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I'm pretty sure Busty said the same. He didn't want the cue tip to obscure his view to see the cb center hence he winds up with bottom left on the initial stroke.
 
boyraks said:
I'm pretty sure Busty said the same. He didn't want the cue tip to obscure his view to see the cb center hence he winds up with bottom left on the initial stroke.
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That could explain why he cues up so far from the cb compared to just about any other pro. But really, Busty plays a stroke that travels on such a big arc it is noticeable to the naked eye at real speed. Combine stroking on an arc with cueing up to the cb a mile away compared to other pros and he pretty much has to cue up to the side to hit center.
 
pt109 said:
We had a good snooker when I was young who aimed with extreme left to make a long straight shot on a 6 x 12…..but was hitting center ball.
……I asked him why he did that….he said he wanted to see where to hit the cue ball without the cue blocking his view….Jimmy Moore had a similar approach.
So if this kid is making the straight shots without whitey spinning, he may be doing the same thing
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Joe Tucker in the DVD to his Third Eye said that every student of his with a misaligned cue on a straight shot would slide the cue just before hitting the cue in hopes of correcting the misalignment. He found players unaware, as he had been, of this correction millimeters before hitting ball and adding spin. He and probably practically all his students figured their cues were aligned correctly.

His Third Eye forces the player to align cue to center ball. Through practice with and without the training aid, the player aligns cue correctly, hits center ball even if the player thinks he is hitting off center.

This is a complicated game of the subconscious and practice correcting what the eye thinks it sees. He compares it to shooting and the simple compensation done to hit bullseye but in pool its more complicated.
 
skor said:
The only reason to do so is if you don't trust your stroke and you fear that side spin will creep into the shot. If you put side spin on it knowingly, then you aim for it.
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The issue here is that two wrongs don't make a right. Whether you intend to hit with side or dead center you will still miss the pot if you mishit the CB by the same amount. Applying side doesn't magically make different amounts of side on the same side of the CB cause an identical CB reaction, they're different amounts of side for a reason.
 
just because some top pro does it one way does not means its right and certainly means it probably isn't right for any of us. if what he does breaks conventional thinking on how you should aim.

pros do what works for them after years and thousands of hours of play.
and we should do the same.
 
maha said:
pros do what works for them after years and thousands of hours of play.
and we should do the same.
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In the case of the player thinking that he is hitting center ball when he is hitting to the right causing problems of potting balls and adding spin, what should he do?

One, discover that when you think you are hitting center ball, you really are not, and practice using that knowledge;​
or​
Two, don't ever discover that when you think you are hitting center ball you really are not, and practice a whole hell of a lot. Practice using that delusion.​
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Paul_#_ said:
In the case of the player thinking that he is hitting center ball when he is hitting to the right causing problems of potting balls and adding spin, what should he do?

One, discover that when you think you are hitting center ball, you really are not, and practice using that knowledge;​
or​
Two, don't ever discover that when you think you are hitting center ball you really are not, and practice a whole hell of a lot. Practice using that delusion.​
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Slightly better 2 options....
1. Work on developing a straight stroke that hits where it aims up.
2. If the stroke is very consistently repeatable, tho not straight, learn where to aim up on the ball so you hit center

Plenty of players found that they have a slight arc or crookedness in their strokes which felt very solid and repeatable to them. Option 2 proved infinitely easier for most and that is likely why you even see crooked strokes among pros. Give me a repeatable arc over a mostly str8, sometimes not straight stroke any day. I believe Bob Jewitt's line on these forums after discovering his stroke wasn't actually straight after 30years playing with it was something along the lines of "I tried to straighten it out for a bit, but the juice wasn't worth the squeeze".
 
under pressure you are going to go to what you have programmed in over the years. so use what works best.

but if you stroke is not straight do what you can to correct that.
newer players can correct fault more easily so changing is best for them to get it right.
 
Oikawa said:
The issue here is that two wrongs don't make a right. Whether you intend to hit with side or dead center you will still miss the pot if you mishit the CB by the same amount. Applying side doesn't magically make different amounts of side on the same side of the CB cause an identical CB reaction, they're different amounts of side for a reason.
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You're subscribing to Patrick's line of thinking. Which isn't necessarily wrong, or right, but is relatively narrow minded.

No magic pill. No warping of reality and/or geometry. Just hacks for human nature. I won't recant here. Already discussed in the shaft flexibility thread.
 
maha said:
under pressure you are going to go to what you have programmed in over the years. so use what works best.

but if you stroke is not straight do what you can to correct that.
newer players can correct fault more easily so changing is best for them to get it right.
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I finally realized what your AZ name stands for……
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The_JV said:
You're subscribing to Patrick's line of thinking. Which isn't necessarily wrong, or right, but is relatively narrow minded.

No magic pill. No warping of reality and/or geometry. Just hacks for human nature. I won't recant here. Already discussed in the shaft flexibility thread.
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I'd like to see 'MrScience' PJ play Mr. Off-Center CJ. I'll let u guess who i like. ;)
 
pt109 said:
We had a good snooker when I was young who aimed with extreme left to make a long straight shot on a 6 x 12…..but was hitting center ball.
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Compare aiming at some random place on the cue ball but hitting center ball to what the player who is the topic of this thread does:
applying significant off center axis spin on the cue ball
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