Does your league allow this safety?
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Its legit, you have to ask yourself what is the penalty... The penalty for a foul is ball in hand... There isn't any Special penalty for intentionally fouling... Its a strategic play... If he wants to give you ball in hand and tie up your balls, there isn't anything you can do...steffi said:
This is how i trick my friend when i get ball-in-hand and both of our balls are stuck together.This is what i do:
First Step :
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The ball will be position up like this.
Step 2 :
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Now as u can see,he have no choice but to bank it,that will give me a very good chance to win the game.
Btw : This is a game of 8 ball,he suppose to take the 8,while i am the solid.
Regards...
First Step :
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The ball will be position up like this.
Step 2 :
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Now as u can see,he have no choice but to bank it,that will give me a very good chance to win the game.
Btw : This is a game of 8 ball,he suppose to take the 8,while i am the solid.
Regards...
This has to be in an APA match.
I once ran the table down to the 8. The 8 hanging on the lip with his balls tided up near the 8. My outgoing shot was pocketing one of his balls.
He took a shot to set up a ball. My next shot was pocketing what he set up for himself. You can see where this is going.
I pocketed his ball and scratched. He's down to the last ball, which was by the 8. He tries to hand back the ball, just to have it handed back to him. He goes for a safe, just to have the 8 open enough to make it in a 3-rail kick. Game, set, and match.
You may call this a chicken shit move, but I play to win. I will play by the rules. Not my fault if you don't know/understand them.
I once ran the table down to the 8. The 8 hanging on the lip with his balls tided up near the 8. My outgoing shot was pocketing one of his balls.
He took a shot to set up a ball. My next shot was pocketing what he set up for himself. You can see where this is going.
I pocketed his ball and scratched. He's down to the last ball, which was by the 8. He tries to hand back the ball, just to have it handed back to him. He goes for a safe, just to have the 8 open enough to make it in a 3-rail kick. Game, set, and match.
You may call this a chicken shit move, but I play to win. I will play by the rules. Not my fault if you don't know/understand them.
How about this scenario, you're on solids and your opponent left you this:
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No reason to go offense here. Just shoot your opponent last stripe in and leave him with a ball in hand with the 8-ball and without a shot.
Here's another real match scenario which I faced in European Champs against a good player Steve Leisen from Luxembourg. I had the 6-ball and he had the 8-ball.
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After examining the situation (6-ball was frozen to cushion) I though if I took a kick at the 6-ball, you would most certainly sell out or at least leave him the 8-ball to play another safe for. I could've easily fouled as well. So I just pushed the cueball to give Leisen a BIH. He thought about it for a second, hit a soft safe and left me behind the 8-ball but pushed the 6-ball over the pocket. Then I promptly 2-rail kicked in the 6-ball and played a perfect position for the 8 and ran out.
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No reason to go offense here. Just shoot your opponent last stripe in and leave him with a ball in hand with the 8-ball and without a shot.
Here's another real match scenario which I faced in European Champs against a good player Steve Leisen from Luxembourg. I had the 6-ball and he had the 8-ball.
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After examining the situation (6-ball was frozen to cushion) I though if I took a kick at the 6-ball, you would most certainly sell out or at least leave him the 8-ball to play another safe for. I could've easily fouled as well. So I just pushed the cueball to give Leisen a BIH. He thought about it for a second, hit a soft safe and left me behind the 8-ball but pushed the 6-ball over the pocket. Then I promptly 2-rail kicked in the 6-ball and played a perfect position for the 8 and ran out.
matthew staton
Banned
Tons'O'fun said:
This is where a 3 foul rule wood help.
The better you get ...
in Pool, the more it starts to resemble Chess sometimes.
In Vegas one time, my opponent and I were down to a ball
a piece left close to the footrail with the 8 inbetween them.
We played a total of 18 safeties in a row, 9 a piece, until
finally he rolled the cue ball a half inch too far, and I got out.
That is the most safeties I have ever had to play in a row, and
I didn't count'm, my teammates did.
in Pool, the more it starts to resemble Chess sometimes.
In Vegas one time, my opponent and I were down to a ball
a piece left close to the footrail with the 8 inbetween them.
We played a total of 18 safeties in a row, 9 a piece, until
finally he rolled the cue ball a half inch too far, and I got out.
That is the most safeties I have ever had to play in a row, and
I didn't count'm, my teammates did.
Midnight Rider
Scourge of the Midwest
Stupid Rule Changes
This is an interesting discussion and I think there are some very important issues at stake.
Intentionally fouling by hitting an opponent's ball and putting it into trouble or sinking it to get it off the table comes up as a strategic move every so often. There's nothing "chicken shit" about it. In the right circumstances, it's smart pool.
It seriously pisses me off when some yahoo complains to his league operator or some league official and they go and change the rules so that it becomes an illegal play. That happened several years ago in my league. The rule became that anybody who intentionally fouled by hitting an opponent's ball first and pocketing the ball lost the game.
That's idiotic. Fortunately, the next year they changed it back.
Penalizing somebody for using smart, if sometimes unconventional, strategy is incredibly lame. It's as if it's unfair for somebody to use their brains to win. The rules should be kept as simple as possible, and people who can come up with smart ways to use those rules to their advantage should be rewarded and emulated.
There's no more of an unfair advantage for a smart strategist to think his way into a win than it's an unfair advantage for somebody who has a great stroke to run racks. Should I whine that a guy I'm playing is too good at running racks, and try to lobby for a rule change to say that nobody can run more than four balls in a row?
I feel the same way about the "breaking from the box" rule. Why the hell do we penalize people who are good at certain aspects of pool? There's no unfair advantage. If it pisses you off that some players break from the side and can use that break to run racks, then you have two choices. Either practice and get better at it, or quit pool. Just stop the freakin' whining and trying to penalize good players.
Now, for me, I use to break off the rail, from the side for almost my whole life. Then I ended up playing at a tournament where they had a "break from the box" rule and I was completely screwed. I couldn't make a ball. So I learned how to break from the middle. Now I do it all the time. So the "break from the box" rule doesn't affect me one bit. I break from there anyway. But the reasoning behind it is still stupid and it's result of insecure whiners who can't improve their own game so they try to take away everyone else's advantages.
It's no different than those hack bar players we all run into periodically who think that any defensive play is dirty pool and people who play safeties somehow are pussies.
Sorry, I have a low tolerence for stupidity.
This is an interesting discussion and I think there are some very important issues at stake.
Intentionally fouling by hitting an opponent's ball and putting it into trouble or sinking it to get it off the table comes up as a strategic move every so often. There's nothing "chicken shit" about it. In the right circumstances, it's smart pool.
It seriously pisses me off when some yahoo complains to his league operator or some league official and they go and change the rules so that it becomes an illegal play. That happened several years ago in my league. The rule became that anybody who intentionally fouled by hitting an opponent's ball first and pocketing the ball lost the game.
That's idiotic. Fortunately, the next year they changed it back.
Penalizing somebody for using smart, if sometimes unconventional, strategy is incredibly lame. It's as if it's unfair for somebody to use their brains to win. The rules should be kept as simple as possible, and people who can come up with smart ways to use those rules to their advantage should be rewarded and emulated.
There's no more of an unfair advantage for a smart strategist to think his way into a win than it's an unfair advantage for somebody who has a great stroke to run racks. Should I whine that a guy I'm playing is too good at running racks, and try to lobby for a rule change to say that nobody can run more than four balls in a row?
I feel the same way about the "breaking from the box" rule. Why the hell do we penalize people who are good at certain aspects of pool? There's no unfair advantage. If it pisses you off that some players break from the side and can use that break to run racks, then you have two choices. Either practice and get better at it, or quit pool. Just stop the freakin' whining and trying to penalize good players.
Now, for me, I use to break off the rail, from the side for almost my whole life. Then I ended up playing at a tournament where they had a "break from the box" rule and I was completely screwed. I couldn't make a ball. So I learned how to break from the middle. Now I do it all the time. So the "break from the box" rule doesn't affect me one bit. I break from there anyway. But the reasoning behind it is still stupid and it's result of insecure whiners who can't improve their own game so they try to take away everyone else's advantages.
It's no different than those hack bar players we all run into periodically who think that any defensive play is dirty pool and people who play safeties somehow are pussies.
Sorry, I have a low tolerence for stupidity.
The PHOENIX
Banned
That move (safety) is perfectly acceptable in every national league, tour and recognized tournament in the world. It is even a delight to see when you have the full understanding of the game.
Tavern Play, for the cheese ? You better know who you are playing with or the next move by your opponent could be his stick across your back.
This is one of the best lines I ever read. I really liked the movie to.
Thanks for posting it Midnight Rider !
"If we all go for the blonde and block each other, not a single one of us is going to get her. So then we go for her friends, but they will all give us the cold shoulder because no one likes to be second choice. But what if none of us goes for the blonde? We won't get in each other's way and we won't insult the other girls. It's the only way to win. It's the only way we all get laid.." -- John Nash, A Beautiful Mind
Tavern Play, for the cheese ? You better know who you are playing with or the next move by your opponent could be his stick across your back.
This is one of the best lines I ever read. I really liked the movie to.
Thanks for posting it Midnight Rider !
"If we all go for the blonde and block each other, not a single one of us is going to get her. So then we go for her friends, but they will all give us the cold shoulder because no one likes to be second choice. But what if none of us goes for the blonde? We won't get in each other's way and we won't insult the other girls. It's the only way to win. It's the only way we all get laid.." -- John Nash, A Beautiful Mind
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