Don't want to spoil anyone's action

Pool Detective?

Deadon said:
I find this interesting. Having been around it for a couple of generations, it doesn't suprise me. "Pool room detectives" have brought many a good matchup to a complete halt because of their subjective belief in how good other people play. If it stopped with "he plays good" as advertised, it wouldn't be so bad. But it usually keeps on going, "you need the 7" "you can't win" etc. The result is even the players in you own town can't find a game where they might, don't have to, win because the local "pool detectives", aka bangers, have killed the action by opening their mouth.

Any simpleton, that plays for cash, knows that a new face asking for a money game is likely a "good player", nothing else need be said. Let them make their own game, and you may be surprised by the results. But if you want to hang in your own room and handicap every game then enjoy. And BTW, a few years back, if you did such a thing to the wrong person, you might find yourself in quite a quibble. Lesser players are not suckers, they are just not as good, and better players are not hustlers, they are just better. The lesser player may well improve his game and learn something by playing. It might turn out to be the new Reyes, and the "sucker", as you would call him, would be able to tell everyone that he played him. Almost every pro player has had this happen to them. Ask Grady what he thinks about it. Thats why there is so little action in some places now. Everyone wants to be smarter than the other guy, so they rush up and kill any possibility of action.

Sorry guys, I think everyone should mind their own business. Too many people try to make a distinction between playing and hustling, there really isn't one. Just different speeds of players, someone is going to win. Even if they are a heavy favorite, doesn't make it wrong. It seems most people on the forum want to be players, yet distance themselves from the term "hustle". Haven't you ever played a match that you knew you should win? I just don't see a problem with it.

I would like a dime for everytime, in my own town, where I was well known at one time, that I would get a game and then some jerk, aka coat-tail puller, would run up and tell the other player he couldn't win. Which wasn't necessarily the case. People don't just say "he plays good" thats total BS. They handicap the game based on their subjective impression of the game. The obvious next question is "how good" or "do you think I can beat him". Frequently pool dectectives don't really know enough to rate players speed, they just want to show how smart they are.

Try it on a golf course, since we are older now, and someone will wrap a putter around your neck for doing such a thing. The guy told you right, its not up to you to decide anything about the transaction between him and another player. All your post indicates is someone who wants a game needs to come up with some weight, an amount that satisfies you, or you will decide its "hustling or a con", and kill his action.

I think you should apply to local law enforcement to see if you can get an offical "Pool Detective" badge. That way when anyone comes to town you can be there to be sure there are proper and fair negotiations to obtain a fair match, in your opinion, or there will be no game.
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As I said, I was ASKED by someone I considered a friend...I wasn't nosing into anybody's business.....you're barking up the wrong tree.....
 
wahcheck said:
"Hey, these people here are friends of mine, and I don't want to see them hustled, especially if they ask me about you, I'll tell them what I know."

The way I see it, the way road players and other money players like to operate, it's about "hustling"...which means deceiving people into a money game where they have little or no chance of winning....Is that really "gambling" or a con game? What do you all think out there? Seems to me if people want to match up and gamble, the negotiations are supposed to be about giving weight to establish a level playing field or as close to a 50/50 proposition as possible....Of course, most people want it to be more like 60/40 or better.....Hustling might put it more in the category of 99/1....So it's not really about a fair gamble...it's more like taking advantage of a "sucker"...
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Yes I read that, but I was reflecting on your statements in total and your request for what others think. My opinion is just that and I am sure there are many on the forums that will disagree. That is just a reflection of what I was referring to in my post. BTW, did they play? And I know many players in the Reno Open that couldn't beat Olive Oil, so based on what did you rate his playing ability and what else did you say? Thats the point.
 
And actually this is what you said...

"Anyway, one of the gamblers in the place asked me if I knew him, and I said I did, and told what I knew of him....."
 
Deadon said:
That may have been Jessie Padilla. He has family in Sacramento and is there frequently. At one time played very good everything. Last I heard he had been living in LA. He was a great talker and a friend.
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Yes, that's who I'm talking about. Nice man and a very good player. I wonder if the gentleman referred to in this thread is him?
 
Surely these forums are discrete enough to mention a few names... It's not national TV, and everyone loves to know about stuff like this really, we want to know know what it's like to be Eddie Felson!

If only we were brave enough to have a go at it ourselves eh?
 
yes you are so right

Deadon said:
Yes I read that, but I was reflecting on your statements in total and your request for what others think. My opinion is just that and I am sure there are many on the forums that will disagree. That is just a reflection of what I was referring to in my post. BTW, did they play? And I know many players in the Reno Open that couldn't beat Olive Oil, so based on what did you rate his playing ability and what else did you say? Thats the point.
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You are so right about my lack of credentials or qualifications to be a pool detective.....maybe the guy couldn't beat Olive Oil after all......I am so embarrassed by your calling me out that I won't ever do it again.....HUSTLE ON.....
 
Olive Oyle

Deadon said:
And I know many players in the Reno Open that couldn't beat Olive Oil, so based on what did you rate his playing ability and what else did you say? Thats the point.
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Is this the same Olive Oyle I heard about? I know a guy who has a friend whose cousin saw Olive Oyle play one time and he said she was good.
 
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Puzzled

breakup said:
don't forget these guys will be long gone soon but you still have to live there.
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Can you kind of explain this to me a little more i'm kind of puzzled?

The reason i started this thread was just to get some background on the guy he played well, was a stand up guy and just wanted to know if anybody knew him.
 
poolbiz420 said:
Can you kind of explain this to me a little more i'm kind of puzzled?

The reason i started this thread was just to get some background on the guy he played well, was a stand up guy and just wanted to know if anybody knew him.
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Seems as though your thread has been hustled, or should i say hyjacked
 
Rickw said:
Yes, that's who I'm talking about. Nice man and a very good player. I wonder if the gentleman referred to in this thread is him?
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I don't think so. It isn't likely he is on the road playing. I think he is working in Louisanna (sp) somewhere.
 
GADawg said:
Is this the same Olive Oyle I heard about? I know a guy who has a friend whose cousin saw Olive Oyle play one time and he said she was good.
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Naw, this O.O. is slick, but can't play a lick!
 
Deadon said:
I find this interesting. Having been around it for a couple of generations, it doesn't suprise me. "Pool room detectives" have brought many a good matchup to a complete halt because of their subjective belief in how good other people play. If it stopped with "he plays good" as advertised, it wouldn't be so bad. But it usually keeps on going, "you need the 7" "you can't win" etc. The result is even the players in you own town can't find a game where they might, don't have to, win because the local "pool detectives", aka bangers, have killed the action by opening their mouth.

Any simpleton, that plays for cash, knows that a new face asking for a money game is likely a "good player", nothing else need be said. Let them make their own game, and you may be surprised by the results. But if you want to hang in your own room and handicap every game then enjoy. And BTW, a few years back, if you did such a thing to the wrong person, you might find yourself in quite a quibble. Lesser players are not suckers, they are just not as good, and better players are not hustlers, they are just better. The lesser player may well improve his game and learn something by playing. It might turn out to be the new Reyes, and the "sucker", as you would call him, would be able to tell everyone that he played him. Almost every pro player has had this happen to them. Ask Grady what he thinks about it. Thats why there is so little action in some places now. Everyone wants to be smarter than the other guy, so they rush up and kill any possibility of action.

Sorry guys, I think everyone should mind their own business. Too many people try to make a distinction between playing and hustling, there really isn't one. Just different speeds of players, someone is going to win. Even if they are a heavy favorite, doesn't make it wrong. It seems most people on the forum want to be players, yet distance themselves from the term "hustle". Haven't you ever played a match that you knew you should win? I just don't see a problem with it.

I would like a dime for everytime, in my own town, where I was well known at one time, that I would get a game and then some jerk, aka coat-tail puller, would run up and tell the other player he couldn't win. Which wasn't necessarily the case. People don't just say "he plays good" thats total BS. They handicap the game based on their subjective impression of the game. The obvious next question is "how good" or "do you think I can beat him". Frequently pool dectectives don't really know enough to rate players speed, they just want to show how smart they are.

Try it on a golf course, since we are older now, and someone will wrap a putter around your neck for doing such a thing. The guy told you right, its not up to you to decide anything about the transaction between him and another player. All your post indicates is someone who wants a game needs to come up with some weight, an amount that satisfies you, or you will decide its "hustling or a con", and kill his action.

I think you should apply to local law enforcement to see if you can get an offical "Pool Detective" badge. That way when anyone comes to town you can be there to be sure there are proper and fair negotiations to obtain a fair match, in your opinion, or there will be no game.
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If this was a room of "pool players" and this post was a speech.. I think there'd be alot of pool cues tapping the floor right about now..

Kinda reminds me of the speech in Scent of a Woman where by which, sometimes saying nothing speaks VOLUMES in character. AKA "Atleast he's not a snitch." ;)

Incidentally that's the best post I've read on AZBilliards since I've been on here.

DJ
 
Playing someone for cash that is under your level is NOT hustling. Playing off someone that is under your level to keep them playing or to not scare anyone else off is. If your a Hustler and you get exposed by someone that is just the nature of the beast and you would be pretty stupid to think otherwise. Nothing wrong with this thread in my oppinion. The guy just wanted to know how a guy plays. If that spoils his action then so be it. He's in the wrong business if he wants to keep his speed a secret forever.:)
 
i agree i was just asking if that was the same guy who played shannon murphy last friday i did not say how he played i was watching it and was just wondering if we were talking about the same guy
then all the pool sherriffs and people who think they know about things started chimming in
i still wonder if its the same guy
 
Coincidently how is Shannon Murphy playing now? I heard he is playing real strong. I remember playing him when he was 15 and 16. A few times I took him back to my house to play on the big table. His uncle is a trip. He would always just watch but if Shannon would start loosing he would pull the plug on him and try to get me to play him. He was pretty animated. He would grimmace every shot Shannon missed or let out a sigh. Shannon would get me usually though.:(
 
Jessie

I know Jessie. He called me tonight *****ing about this thread! He is a good player, but not great. He is a stand-up pool player, in the sense that he loves and respects the game. He doesn't engage in the kind of aggressive barking that lots of guys do.
 
I was just reading threw the threads. I seen someone (i forgot who you are by now) comment to me saying "no body cares" - obviously you do ;)

I'm NOT saying that the person who started this thread was trying to knock any action. I don't know you, I don't know your objectives.
I'm just saying that threads like this lead to all kinds of information being leaked, and action being ruined for a player.

I have a respect for pool players, REAL pool players. This isn't a very well-paying sport, reguardless of how many years and tears you put into it. The best way alot of people who fell in love with (or shall I say 'victim' to) this game is to play for money, gamble (on the road or at home). Once the action gets knocked, then what?
The "hustlers" aren't (typically) putting a gun to your head and making you play. Don't bet more than you can handle, and guage how he plays yourself.

Again, I'm not attacking the person who started this thread, I'm just saying, it most likely leads to a man(or woman) who put so much time into learning, and getting good at, a game losing out.

P.S. STOP SNITCHING!
P.P.S What's up Dave?
 
AZE said:
I was just reading threw the threads. I seen someone (i forgot who you are by now) comment to me saying "no body cares" - obviously you do ;)

I'm NOT saying that the person who started this thread was trying to knock any action. I don't know you, I don't know your objectives.
I'm just saying that threads like this lead to all kinds of information being leaked, and action being ruined for a player.

I have a respect for pool players, REAL pool players. This isn't a very well-paying sport, reguardless of how many years and tears you put into it. The best way alot of people who fell in love with (or shall I say 'victim' to) this game is to play for money, gamble (on the road or at home). Once the action gets knocked, then what?
The "hustlers" aren't (typically) putting a gun to your head and making you play. Don't bet more than you can handle, and guage how he plays yourself.

Again, I'm not attacking the person who started this thread, I'm just saying, it most likely leads to a man(or woman) who put so much time into learning, and getting good at, a game losing out.

P.S. STOP SNITCHING!
P.P.S What's up Dave?
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I respect your views on the situation I just don't agree. I for one don't care too much for people that have to find a victim and play them off to get paid. Its a two way road you know. If a hustler gets his true speed revealed and can't get anymore action from the local stars I don't see what they are doing(snitching you call it) is even remotely close to as bad as what the hustler is doing. He's there to rob people and he gets caught...big deal. You can't accpect to rob someone and then cry when you get caught.

Anyways if I was in a pool hall and I new the guys speed was above what he was playing I wouldn't run to the other guy and tell him. You could call that snitching but thats not what this dude is doing. He's just simply asking how a player plays. No big deal.

I don't know. Thats just my opinion.
 
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