Double Chuck Lathe

[rhncue]

Now I am thoroughly confused as others may be as well.

To JoeyInCali..... Kevin Lindstrom was the original poster who asked for assistance with proper mounting proceedures for a rear chuck. You then chimed in with posting the following link as a proper method for mounting the rear chuck. Here's the link you used for clarification:
http://www.customcuemaker.com/chuck%20coupler.jpg

Now, you have since removed your original post because you undoubtedly realize how foolish your mistake was by using that link as a proper rear chuck mounting proceedure. So, obviously you did not know proper mounting proceedures (because you did refer Kevin to that link) for mounting the rear chuck and until it was pointed out, you were misinformed and provided faulty information to someone in need of correct facts.

I can see how someone can make a mistake such as you did but in the future, we ask that everyone be certain of their facts before providing misinformation to newbies. I was really surprised by the fact that JoeyInCali had made such an error because he does lead everyone in the number of posts or sure comes up among the top posters of information but in this case, misinformation.

Well Joe, it appears to me that you are awfully quick to condemn some ones reply to a question over the facts of the question. Seems to me Joey did exactly what was asked by Kevin. He wanted a picture of a chuck mounted to the rear of a spindle and that's exactly what he got. I don't believe he asks any questions about how to mount. Maybe you should take some comprehension coarses before you falsely condemn others.

Kevin asked: "Can anyone provide pictures of a lathe with a chuck on the backside of the bore through hole. This is probably not the best description but what I mean is a chuck to hold the back of the shaft steady after it has been threaded through both chucks in order to to tip and ferrule work. Hope you repair guys understand what I am looking for based on my description.
Thanks"

Dick

 

[CueComponents]

Well Joe, it appears to me that you are awfully quick to condemn some ones reply to a question over the facts of the question. Seems to me Joey did exactly what was asked by Kevin. He wanted a picture of a chuck mounted to the rear of a spindle and that's exactly what he got. I don't believe he asks any questions about how to mount. Maybe you should take some comprehension coarses before you falsely condemn others.

Kevin asked: "Can anyone provide pictures of a lathe with a chuck on the backside of the bore through hole. This is probably not the best description but what I mean is a chuck to hold the back of the shaft steady after it has been threaded through both chucks in order to to tip and ferrule work. Hope you repair guys understand what I am looking for based on my description.
Thanks"

Dick

Dickie....

Well it seems that you should practice what you preach because I addressed the exact problem that was brought up by Kevin in his post #9 (not #1 as you are alluding to). Do not take my statements out of context to suit your own enlightened self interests. I'll post his question below for your convenience.

Originally Posted by Kevin Lindstrom (post #9)
"Can you explain how this is mounted. It looks as if the chuck may be threaded onto the steel tubing, then the tubing is slid into the spindle bore shaft. I have a southbend lathe that I would like to add a "backside" chuck to rather than using a 3 wheel steady rest. Also anyone else that can give instructions on the best way to mount this second chuck it would be greatly appreciated. I have an older Southbend lathe with a smooth spindle bore throught shaft".

So you see Dickie, Kevin initially asked how can you hold the rear of a shaft (post #1). I did not reply to Kevin's post #1 as you believe and are incorrectly assuming.

Then after Kevin's post #1, JoeyInCali posted the picture of that chuck way out in left field. Kevin was then asking about how the chuck was mounted (as shown in the statement above in post #9) because he was led to believe that what JoeyInCali posted was a representation of a correct method.

I commented from that latter point (on Kevin's post #9 where I replied in my post #11). So, it would be wise to read the entire thread prior to addressing incorrectly what I was commenting on. Additionally, JoeyInCali withdrew his post so this thread is now even more misleading without actually seeing what JoeyInCali actually posted as being an inaccurate representation of a back side chuck mounting. Kevin was then led to believe that JoeyInCali's post was how it should be done. That's when I commented (post #11) as JoeyInCali's post was a poor representation of a rear chuck mounting.

I hope this clarifies it for you and others. And with that, I would like to thank everyone and this is my final thoughts on the matter as time to precious. My very best to everyone out there.

 

[rhncue]

Dickie....

Well it seems that you should practice what you preach because I addressed the exact problem that was brought up by Kevin in his post #9 (not #1 as you are alluding to). Do not take my statements out of context to suit your own enlightened self interests. I'll post his question below for your convenience.

Originally Posted by Kevin Lindstrom (post #9)
"Can you explain how this is mounted. It looks as if the chuck may be threaded onto the steel tubing, then the tubing is slid into the spindle bore shaft. I have a southbend lathe that I would like to add a "backside" chuck to rather than using a 3 wheel steady rest. Also anyone else that can give instructions on the best way to mount this second chuck it would be greatly appreciated. I have an older Southbend lathe with a smooth spindle bore throught shaft".

So you see Dickie, Kevin initially asked how can you hold the rear of a shaft (post #1). I did not reply to Kevin's post #1 as you believe and are incorrectly assuming.

Then after Kevin's post #1, JoeyInCali posted the picture of that chuck way out in left field. Kevin was then asking about how the chuck was mounted (as shown in the statement above in post #9) because he was led to believe that what JoeyInCali posted was a representation of a correct method.

I commented from that latter point (on Kevin's post #9 where I replied in my post #11). So, it would be wise to read the entire thread prior to addressing incorrectly what I was commenting on. Additionally, JoeyInCali withdrew his post so this thread is now even more misleading without actually seeing what JoeyInCali actually posted as being an inaccurate representation of a back side chuck mounting. Kevin was then led to believe that JoeyInCali's post was how it should be done. That's when I commented (post #11) as JoeyInCali's post was a poor representation of a rear chuck mounting.

I hope this clarifies it for you and others. And with that, I would like to thank everyone and this is my final thoughts on the matter as time to precious. My very best to everyone out there.

Joe, If you will look at the first post the man asks for a picture of the rear chuck. In the 5th reply there is a reference to Joey's post. Although that post is now gone we would have to assume it was there BEFORE the 5th reply. Since the man never asked how to mount the chuck until the 8th or 9th reply it is very evident to any thinking person that Joey was responding to the first post since at the time of his posting there was no 9th posting. Now if you had been reading the posts in order why are you busting Joey's chops unless you have self interests of your own.

Dick

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon,
Am i correct in assuming that is a Taig chuck?

yep, $100 special....

I have a sleeve that fits over the spindle bore at the back, threaded on the opposite side for the chuck. 6 set screws hold it on, and allow minor adjustment.

The cheap-ass Enco lathe has some runout at the back, so I compensated by offsetting the bore on the sleeve.

 

[Murray Tucker]

Can anyone provide pictures of a lathe with a chuck on the backside of the bore through hole. This is probably not the best description but what I mean is a chuck to hold the back of the shaft steady after it has been threaded through both chucks in order to to tip and ferrule work. Hope you repair guys understand what I am looking for based on my description.
Thanks

Here is my shaft lathe. It is a 9 X 20 Enco. Both chucks are Buck Adjust-tru which are nice because they have four micro adjustment screws. Once you put the piece in the lathe then you can use a dial indicator to get the piece running perfectly true. Very handy for repair work. The back of my spindle was threaded for a nut to hold the pulleys on. I just made my adapter with the same threads and screwed it on.

 

[olsonsview]

A simple chuck

I chose to reduce the weight hanging on the back of my lathe, but I prefer not just making interference fit bushings, I have done that with my shaft lathe and it is ok, but I wanted to really be able to dial in my butt. I used 6 5/16NF bolts to hold the aluminum rod to the end of my lathe spindle. I drilled the ends of the bolts and pressed in brass buttons so as to not scratch up or dimple my spindle. The use of six gives me a lot of ability to align the bore of the aluminum with the spindle three dimensionally. All this get covered with the safety cover of my lathe with a little metal removed to clear the new hub.
On the outside of the hub I drilled and tapped 4 holes for 5/16 NF set screws. I made bushings out of delrin to fit inside of this and the four screws act like a four jaw chuck without having anything out there spinning to catch on my clothes! I wear trifocal lenses and I can easily get hurt by not seeing things at waist level while working. Well it is slightly slow but very accurate, and I think I made it for a cost of under $10, did I mention I was cheap???

 

[Kevin Lindstrom]

I chose to reduce the weight hanging on the back of my lathe, but I prefer not just making interference fit bushings, I have done that with my shaft lathe and it is ok, but I wanted to really be able to dial in my butt. I used 6 5/16NF bolts to hold the aluminum rod to the end of my lathe spindle. I drilled the ends of the bolts and pressed in brass buttons so as to not scratch up or dimple my spindle. The use of six gives me a lot of ability to align the bore of the aluminum with the spindle three dimensionally. All this get covered with the safety cover of my lathe with a little metal removed to clear the new hub.
On the outside of the hub I drilled and tapped 4 holes for 5/16 NF set screws. I made bushings out of delrin to fit inside of this and the four screws act like a four jaw chuck without having anything out there spinning to catch on my clothes! I wear trifocal lenses and I can easily get hurt by not seeing things at waist level while working. Well it is slightly slow but very accurate, and I think I made it for a cost of under $10, did I mention I was cheap???

Can you make this setup for my lathe if I provide the dimensions needed?

 

[olsonsview]

Hon it is not difficult

but it is time intensive!
The cost is low because I scrounged materials, the aluminum was free from a friends machine shop. He had a cutoff from a job left over.
I actually paid nothing, all materials were in my bins, except the set screws, I had three, so I bought one more for under a dollar.
You should have no trouble making this same type chuck with steel pipe or rod even of the correct dimension. If you cannot do it, then how can you expect to make cues?
Just plan on spending a full afternoon doing it, bore out your rod until you are almost a press fit. then you can drill and tap the other holes in a drill press. the six bolts and set screws are all fine thread to get nice adjustment. I took the 6 bolts and chucked them in the 3 jaw and bored a small hole into the end of each one. I made the button by just cutting off 1/4 inch brass rod with a parting blade, which leaves a nub on each piece which fits into the end of the bolt. This brass tipped bolt protects your shaft if you ever need to take the lathe apart, it stays perfect!
I do not have the time to make yours though, and cannot ask my friend for more free materials for you, that would be abusing his friendship! But I trust I gave you enough time by this long email so you can easily duplicate my efforts...good luck !

 

[Pancerny]

Joe,
You never cease to amaze me...you really need counselling you know....my set-up works excellent and I can put the butt of a cue through the spindle with room to spare...
With my coupler, the cue is also held further toward the back instead of 6-8 inches from the butt for more accurate joint work.
If you're suggesting that a coupler with set screws is more accurate than attaching something to the factory cut threads at the rear of the spindle......I would suggest to the others posting here to think for yourselves. Anyone that wants to come to my shop so see if my rear chcuk runs true, call me and let me know when you're coming...
Mike

Now I am thoroughly confused as others may be as well.

To JoeyInCali..... Kevin Lindstrom was the original poster who asked for assistance with proper mounting proceedures for a rear chuck. You then chimed in with posting the following link as a proper method for mounting the rear chuck. Here's the link you used for clarification:
http://www.customcuemaker.com/chuck%20coupler.jpg

Now, you have since removed your original post because you undoubtedly realize how foolish your mistake was by using that link as a proper rear chuck mounting proceedure. So, obviously you did not know proper mounting proceedures (because you did refer Kevin to that link) for mounting the rear chuck and until it was pointed out, you were misinformed and provided faulty information to someone in need of correct facts.

I can see how someone can make a mistake such as you did but in the future, we ask that everyone be certain of their facts before providing misinformation to newbies. I was really surprised by the fact that JoeyInCali had made such an error because he does lead everyone in the number of posts or sure comes up among the top posters of information but in this case, misinformation.

 

[dzcues]

Can anyone provide pictures of a lathe with a chuck on the backside of the bore through hole. This is probably not the best description but what I mean is a chuck to hold the back of the shaft steady after it has been threaded through both chucks in order to to tip and ferrule work. Hope you repair guys understand what I am looking for based on my description.
Thanks

Finally catching up on this forum again. If this isn't a dead issue, I'll point out a few pics of my 2 lathes which have rear mounted chucks. See the bottom of this page.

http://www.dzcues.com/cnc_photos.htm

Regarding what Arnot posted: I think a steady rest comes in very handy when working on cues. There shouldn't be a problem marking the wood if you're using tapered teflon sleeves. I'll take a few pics (as soon as I get some free time) to better explain how & why I use a steady rest. As you say, there are many ways to achieve a final result but it sure is nice to see all the options available.

 

[olsonsview]

nice shop dz!

And yes there are so many ways to accomplish the task of building a great cue! Some see their way as being the only one and others as foolish. Well broader minds are far more interesting! Great addition to this thread, thank you!