Dufferin butt joint repair

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I am looking at having a Dufferin cue converted to a phenolic joint and possibly something to dress up the butt end. The pictures are of a small crack in the butt joint. Can it be fixed. I know I can just buy another but that's no fun. Finally is it difficult to have someone change the pin to something more common installed into the butt in order to try some other shafts. Thanks
 

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Kingpin said:
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The only way to "fix" the crack is to cut it off. You can add a small buttsleeve or Hoppe ring and buttcap or something.

However, the cost of doing this would easily surpass the value of an old Dufferin sneaky.
 
ideologist said:
The only way to "fix" the crack is to cut it off. You can add a small buttsleeve or Hoppe ring and buttcap or something.

However, the cost of doing this would easily surpass the value of an old Dufferin sneaky.
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Did you even look at the photos or read the question? This is at the joint end. I've never seen a buttsleeve or Hoppe ring at the joint.

Fill the crack with thin epoxy, wrap with waxed paper and then quickly wrap a couple of feet of surgical tubing around the cracked area. Let dry (24hrs minimum), remove tubing and waxed paper, buff to a shine and play on.

You'll always see the crack, but it will be structurally sound...of course the tubing isn't free, but it'll make a playable cue.

I had a coco pj that broke completely across the forearm and fixed it with epoxy, nobody could tell either visually or by how it hit.
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
Did you even look at the photos or read the question? This is at the joint end. I've never seen a buttsleeve or Hoppe ring at the joint.

Fill the crack with thin epoxy, wrap with waxed paper and then quickly wrap a couple of feet of surgical tubing around the cracked area. Let dry (24hrs minimum), remove tubing and waxed paper, buff to a shine and play on.

You'll always see the crack, but it will be structurally sound...of course the tubing isn't free, but it'll make a playable cue.

I had a coco pj that broke completely across the forearm and fixed it with epoxy, nobody could tell either visually or by how it hit.
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Chop top, and add length back at bottom. What's so hard to grasp here?

I don't like epoxying my troubles away. Good luck drilling that insert out and plugging (to adjust the pin) with a crack present.


Here is his whole post: I am looking at having a Dufferin cue converted to a phenolic joint and possibly something to dress up the butt end. The pictures are of a small crack in the butt joint. Can it be fixed. I know I can just buy another but that's no fun. Finally is it difficult to have someone change the pin to something more common installed into the butt in order to try some other shafts. Thanks

New joint, dress up the butt end. If you chop the crack, you can drill into the butt and put a solid joint in there.

Cold hearts don't help reading comprehension, apparently.
 
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I would like something similar to this joint. If the butt joint could be turned down and epoxied while adding the phenolic ring etc. that would be great. If it needs to be cut off and redone than that would be fine too. I'm not too fussy here, im trying to keep it fairly cheap and still have something worth playing with.
Could I expect the points to shorten because of cutting and turning it back down? Finally, Is the white material people are using in the joint fairly strong? Could I break with this type of joint?

Thanks for the help.
 

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easy fix just need to pull the insert plug it add new joint collar and pin and finish it about $150++ worth of work tho........
 
I have another question about the repair I'm hoping to have done. Could I simply remove the female threads, cut the crack off, then drill and possibly tap the butt before installing a phenolic or g10 tenon? After that epoxy my rings and Juma joint over it? I talked with a builder on here and he thought it would be a fairly good option. Any other opinions? I'm really trying to avoid having the whole butt turned down to size. Thanks
 
Like likestorack said.

1. Remove insert.
2. Bore forearm and install partial forearm core. (I prefer going deeper than a "plug" suggests.)
3. Machine new tenon for rings and joint collar.
4. Install rings and joint collar and turn flush with cue.
5. Refinish entire cue.

Crack completely removed, length of cue the same, size the same, no need to extend anything if the length of the cue is satisfactory.
 
Ok, After reading it again, it makes more sense. Is this a job for anyone or who would come to mind for this job? What is a time frame for a job like this? Thanks for the help.
 
Spreading the crack and getting some epoxy into it and then putting on a joint ring will be your least expensive fix that is likely to actually hold up. A new shaft would be your best fix.
 
Kingpin said:
The shaft is fine, it is the butt side of the joint which has the crack.
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I assumed I was looking at the shaft since the female threads were what I was seeing. That allows for a longer collar system without looking funny and should make the repair easier other than finish issues.
 
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I have fixed lots of cues shafts/butts with this type of crack. First you need to spread the crack a little. I usually screw an extra pin in the joint and carefully apply pressure toward the crack to open it up. I than make up some epoxy; heat the epoxy and pour or work the epoxy into the crack. Use a hose clamp around the crack to close it. I have fixed cues almost broken in half.The fix will be hardly be noticable. Hope this helps.
 
I have fixed a few cracks like the one you describe. Put a number of wraps of masking tape below the crack. Tighten a hose clamp over the masking tape. You can now spread the crack without it splitting further. Fill the crack with epoxy and then put a few layers of masking tape over it. Use the hose clamp to tighten the crack.
 
I have access to west marine products, I have no idea where to find G2 epoxy. Would anyone recommend an easy to find epoxy that would work well in fixing the crack? Thanks
 
Apparently you like this cue and want to keep it. Why not just send it to one of the many cue makers on here that can fix this for you? Not a hard repair but can be screwed up by the wrong person. West would be fine if you insist on doing it yourself.


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I'm planning on sending it off to a cue maker for a new joint. I was going to try and repair the crack myself. If I wasn't happy with the repair, I would have it cut then drilled and a dowel added. I'm mostly curious but having epoxy on hand wouldn't be terrible.
 
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