Dust collection
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If you can get your hands on a grizzley cat... they have alot of info....Also try Oneida they have excellent systems ,really some of the best .You can also try new penn they have some smaller units ....But please keep in mind the noise and access for service to the unit when placeing it....Hope this helps......Ray
If you can get your hands on a grizzley cat... they have alot of info....Also try Oneida they have excellent systems ,really some of the best .You can also try new penn they have some smaller units ....But please keep in mind the noise and access for service to the unit when placeing it....Hope this helps......Ray
Cyclone systems are the best, but are expensive. If you've got the money, go for one of these.
The standard bag type dust collector of at least 1.5 HP will work for a small shop, but will not support the operation of multiple machines at one time. I move my dust collector from machine to machine rather than having an elaborate ducting system. The more ductwork you have, the more HP you need to still get good "draw". Also, spring for the 1 or 2 micron cannister filter. The 30 micron bags will not protect you from the fine dust that is what you really want to eliminate.
Ideally, if you can locate the unit outside your shop and run the ductwork to the unit. In this way, anything the filter doesn't catch will not be released back into the shop.
Even with dust collection, there will still be lots of fine dust released in the shop. I run a Jet air cleaner in my shop in addition to my dust collection. The air cleaner constantly circulates the air in the shop and filters out the fine stuff down to .5 mircons.
The standard bag type dust collector of at least 1.5 HP will work for a small shop, but will not support the operation of multiple machines at one time. I move my dust collector from machine to machine rather than having an elaborate ducting system. The more ductwork you have, the more HP you need to still get good "draw". Also, spring for the 1 or 2 micron cannister filter. The 30 micron bags will not protect you from the fine dust that is what you really want to eliminate.
Ideally, if you can locate the unit outside your shop and run the ductwork to the unit. In this way, anything the filter doesn't catch will not be released back into the shop.
Even with dust collection, there will still be lots of fine dust released in the shop. I run a Jet air cleaner in my shop in addition to my dust collection. The air cleaner constantly circulates the air in the shop and filters out the fine stuff down to .5 mircons.
Somewhat.....
Every inch of duct/hose in the run will reduce the efficiency of the "draw". Yes, you can "reduce the loss of efficiency" by strategically placing the blast gates on a multiple run duct system. However, I don't find it to be a big problem to simply move the hose(s) to the machine I will be using. That way I use the least amount of duct and get the greatest efficiency from my unit.
Every inch of duct/hose in the run will reduce the efficiency of the "draw". Yes, you can "reduce the loss of efficiency" by strategically placing the blast gates on a multiple run duct system. However, I don't find it to be a big problem to simply move the hose(s) to the machine I will be using. That way I use the least amount of duct and get the greatest efficiency from my unit.
Do your research here:
http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm
http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm
IF you are in a warmer climate
Build a shed onto your shop outside wall and mount a good cyclone collector in it. Duct to the machines and yes use blast gates as well as a good grounding system. Forget the 1 micron filters if the collector is outside the shop, unless you have to have the collector inside the shop like those of us in the cold climates. Then 1 micron is really only barely collecting the most dangerous dust to our health. My understanding is that a single teaspoon of submicron dust let loose in our home contaminates it and makes it dangerous to our health if we become sensitive to the wood dust. AND it is near impossible to clean up to make it safe again. SOme cuemakers sold their homes and moved to another location because of these wood dust issues. I have two dust collectors with 1 micron filters and the JET ceiling mount air scrubber and it barely keeps up. I also do all the dirtiest work in a garage , away from the main shop and my home, to help tame the dust beast.
Build a shed onto your shop outside wall and mount a good cyclone collector in it. Duct to the machines and yes use blast gates as well as a good grounding system. Forget the 1 micron filters if the collector is outside the shop, unless you have to have the collector inside the shop like those of us in the cold climates. Then 1 micron is really only barely collecting the most dangerous dust to our health. My understanding is that a single teaspoon of submicron dust let loose in our home contaminates it and makes it dangerous to our health if we become sensitive to the wood dust. AND it is near impossible to clean up to make it safe again. SOme cuemakers sold their homes and moved to another location because of these wood dust issues. I have two dust collectors with 1 micron filters and the JET ceiling mount air scrubber and it barely keeps up. I also do all the dirtiest work in a garage , away from the main shop and my home, to help tame the dust beast.
RBC
Deceased
Elbeau is dead on!
I have wasted thousands of dollars on junk dust collection equipment before I found out about bill pentz.
I use the CV Max from here:
http://www.clearvuecyclones.com/
We use it on 8 spindles all cutting at the same time. It probably runs 30 to 35 hours a week and keeps the air nice and clean. We still get dust build up, but it comes from the table saw and sanders mostly. I still need to come up with a good solution for them.
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
I have wasted thousands of dollars on junk dust collection equipment before I found out about bill pentz.
I use the CV Max from here:
http://www.clearvuecyclones.com/
We use it on 8 spindles all cutting at the same time. It probably runs 30 to 35 hours a week and keeps the air nice and clean. We still get dust build up, but it comes from the table saw and sanders mostly. I still need to come up with a good solution for them.
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
Dust Collector
After seeing the clear vue in Royce's shop, I went with the same set up.
Haven't regretted it one bit. Talk about moving air. I also have an older Oneida cyclone, and it doesn't move near the air/dust as the Clear vue.
Any dust collector works until the bags start to get filled, then efficiency goes down in a hurry. Clear vue seems to get more out in the cyclone, so less gets to the filter.
After seeing the clear vue in Royce's shop, I went with the same set up.
Haven't regretted it one bit. Talk about moving air. I also have an older Oneida cyclone, and it doesn't move near the air/dust as the Clear vue.
Any dust collector works until the bags start to get filled, then efficiency goes down in a hurry. Clear vue seems to get more out in the cyclone, so less gets to the filter.
RBC
Deceased
JR
Ours is mounted inside as we have an air conditioned shop. I feed out into 4 of the canister filters they recommend. I started with 2 and added 2 a year later. My system uses a 10 pvc pipe running straight down one wall. It's only about 10 feet long, but it has 4 drops on it. All in all it services a 4 blade table saw machine, 2 single spindle and one 2 spindle machines all using routers. Each machine is somewhat enclosed so that the movement of air pulls across the cutting area. They are open to load and unload, but the back and top are shrouded together.
This cyclone does a great job with the fine dust. We do have the larger chips that the table saw machine puts out that get through the cyclone and have to be cleaned out of the filters, but that isn't too much of a problem.
Prior to this system, we had a cloud of dust in the shop whenever we were cutting. Now, we don't have to breath all that dust!
Call me at the shop if you have questions!
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
Ours is mounted inside as we have an air conditioned shop. I feed out into 4 of the canister filters they recommend. I started with 2 and added 2 a year later. My system uses a 10 pvc pipe running straight down one wall. It's only about 10 feet long, but it has 4 drops on it. All in all it services a 4 blade table saw machine, 2 single spindle and one 2 spindle machines all using routers. Each machine is somewhat enclosed so that the movement of air pulls across the cutting area. They are open to load and unload, but the back and top are shrouded together.
This cyclone does a great job with the fine dust. We do have the larger chips that the table saw machine puts out that get through the cyclone and have to be cleaned out of the filters, but that isn't too much of a problem.
Prior to this system, we had a cloud of dust in the shop whenever we were cutting. Now, we don't have to breath all that dust!
Call me at the shop if you have questions!
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
Um no, no... *laughing* That is the site that caused all my confusion. I was ready to pull the trigger on a system and found that link. Now, I have no idea what I need and I know Im gonna get cancer from even looking at the sawdust.
Same thing happened here. I was going to spend a couple hundred bucks on something out of the local classifieds when I stumbled across Bill Pentz's site- enough dust info to choke a horse!
Yeah. What did you decide on? Where in Florida are you located?