E-mail from Meucci

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A long time ago I signed up for Meucci Cues' newsletter. The text below is from the latest edition, which promotes their new RB (recession buster) line of cues.

"Are you paying too much for your Chinese import? Meucci cues are 100% made in the USA. Are you paying Big $$$ for advertising and hype? Support the American Worker and Economy.

"Did you know the following Brands are made in China or offshore manufactured cues sold in America with sometimes the perception of being Amercian made?

"Predator - Poison - Lucasi - Players - Action - Elite - 5280 - Outlaw - McFarland - Griffin - Scorpion - Mayhem - Helmstetter - Fury - Adam - Stealth - Cuetec - Star Cues -McDermott Cues (Most Models)...and many many more."

I've never owned a Meucci cue, and I admittedly don't know much about the company. But, I had heard as recently as last year that the cues had gone down in quality by a considerable amount. My understanding was that the drop in quality was in part due to the manufacturing being shifted overseas. Is that not true? Also, I was under the impression that McDermott cues were manufactured in Wisconsin?

I'm not convinced that one country over another has better cue makers. Especially because cues are such an individual thing. I'm asking, because I don't know. Is Meucci making bogus claims, or just pointing out stuff that I didn't know?

Thanks for the knowledge.
 
A long time ago I signed up for Meucci Cues' newsletter. The text below is from the latest edition, which promotes their new RB (recession buster) line of cues.



I've never owned a Meucci cue, and I admittedly don't know much about the company. But, I had heard as recently as last year that the cues had gone down in quality by a considerable amount. My understanding was that the drop in quality was in part due to the manufacturing being shifted overseas. Is that not true? Also, I was under the impression that McDermott cues were manufactured in Wisconsin?

I'm not convinced that one country over another has better cue makers. Especially because cues are such an individual thing. I'm asking, because I don't know. Is Meucci making bogus claims, or just pointing out stuff that I didn't know?

Thanks for the knowledge.

I won't claim to be a big fan of Meucci cues, BUT, at least they are made in America, and always have been as far as I know. There was a rumor of some workers who may not have been American, but the cues were made in Olive Branch Mississippi for years and I believe he moved to a new location nearby. What made most people feel that the construction was slightly under par, was the cheap thermo-plastics for the ferrules, joints and any other plastic parts, & inlays used, instead of the phenolics the custom cuemakers all use. I asked Bob Meucci about 25 years ago years ago why he used the plastics he used. He told me he "didn't want to make a cue that would last forever! What kind of future is there in that?" Maybe he was right..... Nah
 
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http://www.meuccicues.com/medici.htm

"For your economic benefit, Medici cues are 80% manufactured by a premier offshore manufacturer and then fine tuned at the new Meucci factory in Byhalia, MS prior to shipping."


Offshore? Hmm, that doesn't sound like the USA to me.

Apparently I'm out of the loop when it comes to Meucci's current business. But those aren't sold as Meucci either, a very small distinction, I know. The Medici logo is in the same font and I'm sure meant to look like the Meucci logo though. Hmmmmm............ I always did say that cue marketing was Bob's long suit!
 
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Everytime I think of my Meucci I laugh to myself. I never thought from being kept in a climate controlled closet and played a half dozen times the forearm could become incredibly warped, the shaft develop a slight wobble, inlays pop, pretty sure the ferrulle wasnt attached with anything as it popped of the second time I used the cue, and the bumber wont stay on. I keep it for laughs.

Pretty sure that when many of Bob's customer's bought there first Meucci that "wouldn't last forever" switched shortly thereafter. To be fair I have seen nice Meucci's that do play well. You just have to search for one as most coming of the line are already flawed in some way.
 
Apparently I'm out of the loop when it comes to Meucci's current business. But those aren't sold as Meucci either, a very small distinction, I know. The Medici logo is in the same font and I'm sure meant to look like the Meucci logo though. Hmmmmm............ I always did say that cue marketing was Bob's long suit!


True it's not a "Meucci" but Bob's wording is VERY strong about not financing non-USA manufacturers. Funny how he uses the word offshore in his email and also uses it in his marketing to promote cues made somewhere other than the USA.
 
keep in mind that buying AMERICAN supports the socialists in power here and not the commies which run CHINA:)
 
True it's not a "Meucci" but Bob's wording is VERY strong about not financing non-USA manufacturers. Funny how he uses the word offshore in his email and also uses it in his marketing to promote cues made somewhere other than the USA.
I agree. I just wonder if this was an old quote that the OP used and may be out of date. Could be that Meucci knew he couldn't compete with the imports any other way, and decided if he couldn't beat them he'd join up with them. I don't know.
 
I agree. I just wonder if this was an old quote that the OP used and may be out of date. Could be that Meucci knew he couldn't compete with the imports any other way, and decided if he couldn't beat them he'd join up with them. I don't know.

The language in the first post is from an e-mail newsletter dated 7-2-2010.

I do remember the distinction between Medicci and Meucci, so perhaps that's the overseas production that I remember.

Either way, it just struck me as a little odd.
 
There have been a couple threads lately on this very topic. Bob Meucci is being a major hypocrite. Go to those threads and read up on it. Cue Reviews is a good place to start.

If the $ were right then I can guarantee you with 100% certainty that ALL of his cues would be produced 5 minutes from my shop here in China.

I could go to that factory RIGHT NOW with a webcam and show you all the Meucci cues that were built here under Bob's instructions when he was here.

My assistant did all the translation for Bob when he was here.

Why do people do this?
 
A long time ago I signed up for Meucci Cues' newsletter. The text below is from the latest edition, which promotes their new RB (recession buster) line of cues.



I've never owned a Meucci cue, and I admittedly don't know much about the company. But, I had heard as recently as last year that the cues had gone down in quality by a considerable amount. My understanding was that the drop in quality was in part due to the manufacturing being shifted overseas. Is that not true?

No it's not true. And according to one major distributer the quality of the Medici cues made here in China were 10x better than Meucci cues produced in the USA.

Also, I was under the impression that McDermott cues were manufactured in Wisconsin?

They are. And some of them are produced in China. McDermott gives a lifetime guarantee on their cues no matter where they are produced.

I'm not convinced that one country over another has better cue makers. Especially because cues are such an individual thing. I'm asking, because I don't know. Is Meucci making bogus claims, or just pointing out stuff that I didn't know?

Meucci is making bogus claims. - Well not entirely as most of the brands listed are not made in the USA - BUT Meucci was entirely willing to have cues made in China, both the Medici line and even the Meucci models IF the money would have been to his advantage.

Thanks for the knowledge.

You're welcome. And for those of you who want to support America by buying "American" there are plenty of brands to buy from who aren't hypocritical. We at www.CueSight.com sell Viking cues day in and day out and we almost NEVER have any issues with quality or service from the fine folks at Viking.
 
I no longer care what is made where.

As long as the quality is good and does not fall apart when i use it. I am fine.

All govt stinks these days, be it socialist, communist, capitalist, etc etc. I think all govt has got hidden agenda. All politician has got 2 faces. One to show the world. One for their own use.
 
I no longer care what is made where.

As long as the quality is good and does not fall apart when i use it. I am fine.

All govt stinks these days, be it socialist, communist, capitalist, etc etc. I think all govt has got hidden agenda. All politician has got 2 faces. One to show the world. One for their own use.

I think the point to buying or not buying things made in a certain country, is more about supporting the local economy and the workers there. Of course, the way your dollars spread out (or don't in some cases) to the workers, etc. changes from place to place.

Thanks again for the info, everyone. I'd been scared off of buying a Meucci a long time ago, but I suppose it's going to be even harder to recommend one now. Too bad.
 
I dont generally chime in or do cue reviews... Im almost motivated enough to do one based on some recent experience with a friends "brand new" Muecci...

the gist; I do not hold an allegiance to any cue, cuemaker, brand name, etc... I am far from a cue snob, and could frankly care less about having the latest /greatest or any of the noterity about owning this kinda cue or that kinda cue...

Ive owned a bunch, and played with a bunch of others... my playing cue (after having owned tons of others including customs, etc..) is a lucasi with a Z shaft, I play with it 5-6 times a week for hours & hours at a time... and have for 8 years now... works fine... anyway...

I have never seen anything like this cue he bought.... that includes lots of low end cues Ive sold to frineds over the years (50-100 range)... this thing is trash, in every regard. It is the absolute worst craftsmanship I have ever seen... and this is a cue he payed over $500 bucks for, one of Muecci's "higher end" new cues...He''s owned this thing for a couple months now... I just cant stress how shockingly bad it really is... Inlays are lifted already, shaft came with a BIG roll out (he had to send it back) handle and forearm are seperating... I could go on and on, if these guys are out there trying to sell this worse than flea market garbage and leaning on the fact they make them in the USA.... STOP IT! YOU ARE EMBARRASING US.
 
True it's not a "Meucci" but Bob's wording is VERY strong about not financing non-USA manufacturers. Funny how he uses the word offshore in his email and also uses it in his marketing to promote cues made somewhere other than the USA.

Helmstetter and Adam cues are made in Japan, not China. Bob is, at least, not guilty of lumping all non-American made cues into the China category.

Richard Helmstetter has been making great cues for many years in Japan under names like Adam, Helmstetter, Palmer, Weir and more recently, Balabushka. To my knowledge, he never represented the product as American made after production left the states. When issues over Bob Weir cues came up, (are they made by him in America or overseas in Japan) the relationship ended.

I believe Helmstetter has made more cues in Japan than any other cuemaker by any other name on American soil. It seems to me, in this economy, that there is nothing wrong with Bob Meucci stating fact in an effort to help his business. Some of us still remember how great Meucci's hit, and how much Bob did for the sport when his company was near the top in America. I probably wouldn't buy a Meucci today, but I am always shopping for nice "Originals."
 
Helmstetter and Adam cues are made in Japan, not China. Bob is, at least, not guilty of lumping all non-American made cues into the China category.

Not quite. Bob does not make that distinction clearly. He says ""Are you paying too much for your Chinese import? Meucci cues are 100% made in the USA. Are you paying Big $$$ for advertising and hype? Support the American Worker and Economy.

"Did you know the following Brands are made in China or offshore manufactured cues sold in America with sometimes the perception of being Amercian made? "

So he is lumping all the brands in together that he lists as overpriced and destructive of the economy.

Kind of hypocritical considering that he was over here teaching the Chinese how to build cues his way in order to have them make cues for him.


It seems to me, in this economy, that there is nothing wrong with Bob Meucci stating fact in an effort to help his business. Some of us still remember how great Meucci's hit, and how much Bob did for the sport when his company was near the top in America. I probably wouldn't buy a Meucci today, but I am always shopping for nice "Originals."

Made in USA, Locally Grown, Made in Oshkosh, these are all statements of fact that are used to market products. People who make things want to use whatever information that they can in order to sell those things.

I have never seen a seller of cues in Georgia refuse an order because the customer was in Arkansas. It's funny that people want to use "buy local" as a marketing slogan but they don't practice only selling locally. They want to ship their stuff all over the world and compete in everyone else's "local" market but not have anyone else competing in theirs.

I wonder how Meucci would have felt if the Germans had adopted his stance and not imported the tens of thousands of Meucci cues throughout the 80s and 90s. When I got to Germany in 1989 every other German player had a Meucci or McDermott. Meucci didn't tell Holger Veith to go find a German manufacturer and support the German economy. No instead he cheerfully took that money.

How about now in China? Players in China are starting to buy custom cues. Should they be following Meucci's advice to buy domestically made cues instead? Should the stick to Asia? Keith Andy is reputably making some very good cues in Japan, Mezz of course and Adams as you mentioned is a good brand.

Regarding supporting the sport? Yes Meucci had a lot of players that he sponsored at one time but none of us know the extent of that sponsorship. I'd submit that some of the "importers" that Meucci is railing against here support the sport more now than he ever did. I bet Cuetec has put more CASH into the game at more levels than Meucci ever did.

But what really pisses me off here is the hypocrisy. The guy comes to China teaches them what he knows, the Chinese go to him to learn at his place, cues are made, cues are accepted and cues are sold, more cues are ordered, negotiations ensue to have most of the models of Meucci branded cues made in China, the deal breaks because of disputes on who will get paid how much and suddenly a year later Meucci is wrapping himself in the flag???
 
Not quite. Bob does not make that distinction clearly. He says ""Are you paying too much for your Chinese import? Meucci cues are 100% made in the USA. Are you paying Big $$$ for advertising and hype? Support the American Worker and Economy.

"Did you know the following Brands are made in China or offshore manufactured cues sold in America with sometimes the perception of being Amercian made? "

So he is lumping all the brands in together that he lists as overpriced and destructive of the economy.

Kind of hypocritical considering that he was over here teaching the Chinese how to build cues his way in order to have them make cues for him.




Made in USA, Locally Grown, Made in Oshkosh, these are all statements of fact that are used to market products. People who make things want to use whatever information that they can in order to sell those things.

I have never seen a seller of cues in Georgia refuse an order because the customer was in Arkansas. It's funny that people want to use "buy local" as a marketing slogan but they don't practice only selling locally. They want to ship their stuff all over the world and compete in everyone else's "local" market but not have anyone else competing in theirs.

I wonder how Meucci would have felt if the Germans had adopted his stance and not imported the tens of thousands of Meucci cues throughout the 80s and 90s. When I got to Germany in 1989 every other German player had a Meucci or McDermott. Meucci didn't tell Holger Veith to go find a German manufacturer and support the German economy. No instead he cheerfully took that money.

How about now in China? Players in China are starting to buy custom cues. Should they be following Meucci's advice to buy domestically made cues instead? Should the stick to Asia? Keith Andy is reputably making some very good cues in Japan, Mezz of course and Adams as you mentioned is a good brand.

Regarding supporting the sport? Yes Meucci had a lot of players that he sponsored at one time but none of us know the extent of that sponsorship. I'd submit that some of the "importers" that Meucci is railing against here support the sport more now than he ever did. I bet Cuetec has put more CASH into the game at more levels than Meucci ever did.

But what really pisses me off here is the hypocrisy. The guy comes to China teaches them what he knows, the Chinese go to him to learn at his place, cues are made, cues are accepted and cues are sold, more cues are ordered, negotiations ensue to have most of the models of Meucci branded cues made in China, the deal breaks because of disputes on who will get paid how much and suddenly a year later Meucci is wrapping himself in the flag???

I have mixed feelings about Bob Meucci. From one standpoint I gotta like the guy! Over the last 30 years, I've probably made more money repairing Meucci cues than I did selling my own custom cues!

And something most of us overlook is that Meucci was the premiere marketer of whole cues (leaving Predator out because they specialize in shafts) in the history of cuemaking. Lets face it, he had most of the public in the world thinking he was making some of the best cues on the planet. He convinced people that the soft white clear maple that he used was the only shaftwood suitable for cues. We still have trouble educating people otherwise. He signed up most of the top pros as player reps paying them with cue sticks which they either sold retail one at a time or wholesaled them off to dealers. This was a time when the public was happy to pay retail prices for Meucci cues. Bob was, I believe, the first cuemaker to address the issue of "deflection" claiming that his cues had "ZERO DEFLECTION"! He even build a "robot" that he could manipulate to prove his claim. lol Another method of proving that his cues didn't deflect was by having David Howard, Jimmy Rempe, Sigel, Earl (for a while and again now) and several other top pros demonstrate that they can aim at a shot with a lot of english and seemingly make the ball without deflection. Well obviously these players could make almost any shot look easy and the test was rediculously flawed.

BUT!


If not for Meucci some rather informed people doubt if we'd be able to sell a cuestick for over $400 to this day! He did promote his product as well as any product I've ever seen promoted! Look at how many of them that were made and sold over the years even though he used the cheapest materials he could find to build them! He had a gift when it came to marketing!

All that being said, he did have some very good artwork, especially in the early years, if you're in to that type of stuff!

Did Bob Meucci make a large contribution to the sport in his years of business, absolutely! Not my cup of tea, but he was good for pool and cues in general.

Do I like the way he dances around the truth in his advertising his cues to be "Made in the USA" ? No that's stepping over the line and kind of tarnishes his past accomplishments.
 
True it's not a "Meucci" but Bob's wording is VERY strong about not financing non-USA manufacturers. Funny how he uses the word offshore in his email and also uses it in his marketing to promote cues made somewhere other than the USA.

I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time) but I beleive it is the Medicci line of cues that are made "off shore" and tweaked at the mMeucci shop. I't was also my understanding that the cues marked as Meucci ( on the butt cap)are made here in the states.
 
I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time) but I beleive it is the Medicci line of cues that are made "off shore" and tweaked at the mMeucci shop. I't was also my understanding that the cues marked as Meucci ( on the butt cap)are made here in the states.

That was the statement. However the reality was that the Medici cues were 100% done in China.

The cues marked as Meucci are (as far as I know) 100% made in the USA.

However, at Bob Meucci's request, a lot of the current Meucci-branded models were made here as prototypes with the idea of having them made in China.
 
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