Early Bill Stroud Joss West - Very Nice with Ivory

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I am looking to move this cue quickly so I will entertain any reasonable offers. I am really not looking to trade but would consider a trade plus cash. Matt at Cueaddicts has this cue on consignment from me and is aware that I am trying to sell the cue also. It is the JW at the top with 4 points and ivory rectangles.

http://www.cueaddicts.com/newcues.html

PM me any offers and I will contact you.

Brian King
 
Are The Shafts Original Or Replacements? Done By Stroud?

I Ask Because, If I'm Reading It Correctly, The Cue Has Shafts That Are 2 Different Lengths, And Two Different Ferrule Materials. That Seriously Effects Where My Offer Would Be.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
Are The Shafts Original Or Replacements? Done By Stroud?

I Ask Because, If I'm Reading It Correctly, The Cue Has Shafts That Are 2 Different Lengths, And Two Different Ferrule Materials. That Seriously Effects Where My Offer Would Be.
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One is definitely original and I am unsure about the other. It was sold as an original JW shaft but it was not original to cue.
 
Are the points CNC'd? If so, and this is a pre 80, this has to be one of his earliest fancy CNC's.

Also, I'm guessing the smaller shaft is the orig, and prolly has the ivory ferrule as well?

Good looking cue.
 
half fast bankr said:
Are the points CNC'd? If so, and this is a pre 80, this has to be one of his earliest fancy CNC's.

Also, I'm guessing the smaller shaft is the orig, and prolly has the ivory ferrule as well?

Good looking cue.
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points are half splice, not cnc.

that pattern, is pre cnc.
 
^ not sure what you mean. I know they are spliced, but the tips look CNC'd from the pic. What 'pattern' are you refering to?
 
I noticed that from the picture but figured it wasnt clear enough to tell. The points all looked spliced except possibly the outside point from the pic looked rounded. I figured it was just the picture.
 
half fast bankr said:
^ not sure what you mean. I know they are spliced, but the tips look CNC'd from the pic. What 'pattern' are you refering to?
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THE INLAY PATTERN IN THE BUTT.

THE POINTS LOOKING ROUND IS FROM THE SCAN.
 
Zud, the inside point is the only 'point'. The outter points are called veneers, and right around the time this cue was made, JW began CNC-ing the outter most veneer. So, you observations are spot on (considering the image), your terminology was just a bit off.

*added, the entire configuration is also referred to as a 'point' as well*

FastNLoose, you may have an intimate knowledge of this cue which would explain your statements. I'm just seeing the super sharp mitre cuts versus the outter veneer. Why wouldn't a scan obscure the inner cuts like they have the outter one?
 
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half fast bankr said:
FastNLoose, you may have an intimate knowledge of this cue which would explain your statements. I'm just seeing the super sharp mitre cuts versus the outter veneer. Why wouldn't a scan obscure the inner cuts like they have the outter one?
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THEY ALL LOOKED ROUNDED TO ME. THE OUTSIDE IS THE THICKEST TIP, SO IT WOULD APPEAR TO BE MORE ROUND.



P.S. I TYPE IN ALL CAPS CAUSE MY EYES ARE CRAPPY, SO THEY MAY BE GETTING ME HERE AS WELL.
 
I have an email from Bill Stroud that states the cue is from the mid to late 70s. The outside veneer has rounded points and all other veneers and points are sharp. I don't know what Bill calls this technique of point construction. I will have to check the shafts to see which has ivory and which is smaller. I will try to answer any questions that you might have.

Brian
 
"P.S. I TYPE IN ALL CAPS CAUSE MY EYES ARE CRAPPY, SO THEY MAY BE GETTING ME HERE AS WELL." LOL!!! I'm on my way to glasses too, my friend.

Regarding the points, owner just confirmed my orig post. This CNC technique was used to make sure the points line up dead even, although at what some may consider a 'cost'. It also made possible turning out more cues in a shorter period of time.

These are the points of a '78-79 JW I currently have for sale here as well. Note the sharpness of the point and the veneers (including outter).
*edited cuz I just realized you cannot see the actual point*
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The points are flat bottom points , there is not a way to tell if the cue maker used cnc . I will have to check the ferrules tomorrow.
thanks matt
 
cuedicts said:
The points are flat bottom points , there is not a way to tell if the cue maker used cnc . I will have to check the ferrules tomorrow.
thanks matt
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NO, BUT YOU CAN TELL THAT THEY AREN'T SPLICED.

I APPRECIATE THE INFO THOUGH.
 
cuedicts said:
The points are flat bottom points , there is not a way to tell if the cue maker used cnc . I will have to check the ferrules tomorrow.
thanks matt
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When folks talk about Bill's early cues, and use the term CNC, they are referring to the outtermost veneer of the point, not the point itself. As obvious, and stated, we know the assembly is not a full splice.

The CNC comment were directed towards the .....


screw it. nevermind.
 
You are correct the points are not short spliced . The outer ebony point is rounded but the veneers are spliced and razor sharp.
matt
 
half fast bankr said:
Zud, the inside point is the only 'point'. The outter points are called veneers, and right around the time this cue was made, JW began CNC-ing the outter most veneer. So, you observations are spot on (considering the image), your terminology was just a bit off.

*added, the entire configuration is also referred to as a 'point' as well*
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Thanks for the clarification. Bump for Brian
 
The long shaft has an ivory ferrule and is over 13mm.The shorter shaft which appears to be original to the cue has a linen ferrule.
thanks matt
 
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