earnings comparison

[boogeyman]

You do seem to know a bit about it...
You are right, there are star and cast roles.
As i recall, cast was approx 30k/ yr and the stars- more than a few actuall skated in olympics, around 50k.

A decent comparison to pool, i believe...though one of those entertains the public and the other is pool.

Yes, I agree. A better comparison than professional bowling.
You seem to have promoted better dialogue with respect to comparing earnings with pool.

You brought up another interesting point.
Ice shows are a service: entertainment with some peripheral learning
--some shows actually teach things through the characters (this is for the children mainly)

I have to admit and argue that pool (playing) is also, in its own way, entertainment AND educational.
Spectators no doubt like to see good pool, but at the same time, they glean certain
approaches to shots and different ways of navigating a layout.

I just think the industry of U.S. pool is in a business trough.
Aside from the outliner of SVB, the money is not being earned to make a decent living.

 

[ChopStick]

You can't compare pool to golf for one simple reason. Aside from the TV earnings, even a typical golf tournament will have 50,000 people per day show up and pay around $25 per ticket. The more popular venues will have 3 to 4 times that many. I think TPC just had 600,000 show up for the week. What poolroom are you going to fit that into? You can get a few hundred in and they will not be comfortable and that's it. Pool will never be able to have the revenue stream that golf has. Small revenue, small pay.

 

[pwd72s]

You can't compare pool to golf for one simple reason. Aside from the TV earnings, even a typical golf tournament will have 50,000 people per day show up and pay around $25 per ticket. The more popular venues will have 3 to 4 times that many. I think TPC just had 600,000 show up for the week. What poolroom are you going to fit that into? You can get a few hundred in and they will not be comfortable and that's it. Pool will never be able to have the revenue stream that golf has. Small revenue, small pay.

You nailed it...it's about audience size, the number of people paying to watch. TV ratings don't lie.

As long as we're fantasizing about sports salaries? I'd like the paycheck of the Yankees Center Fielder. Alas, I never could run, catch, throw, or bat as well as he can.

 

[louieatienza]

Golf is more lucrative?

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Well, look at all the sponsors and advertising they generate. Look at what major national corporate sponsors are affiliated with golf, and those affiliated with pool.

Corporations will sponsor sporting events that give them a return on their investment, in terms of exposure to their target audience.

I also bowl as well as shoot pool and play golf. We have the same exact problems in bowling, though we do attract national sponsors like Miller High Life, Odor Eaters, Geico... It's not much, but it's a start. Back in the 80s it was Anheuser Busch, Denny's. Firestone.. bigger names at the time. And they still televise the three majors of bowling live on ESPN, though regular tour stops are pre-recorded.

 

[louieatienza]

You can't compare pool to golf for one simple reason. Aside from the TV earnings, even a typical golf tournament will have 50,000 people per day show up and pay around $25 per ticket. The more popular venues will have 3 to 4 times that many. I think TPC just had 600,000 show up for the week. What poolroom are you going to fit that into? You can get a few hundred in and they will not be comfortable and that's it. Pool will never be able to have the revenue stream that golf has. Small revenue, small pay.

Try $60 to get in for a Saturday in the PGA, and that's general admission. Clubhouse passes go up to $200 to the sky's the limit. A glof shirt from Nike, Callaway, Foot Joy, Adidas, RLX go upwards of $75 and more. There are new clubs every 6 months.

If there were a tournament that warranted it, MSG can hold 20,000, and the overhead table view could be shown on the jumbotrons. Problem is, you'd be very lucky to fill a tenth of MSG with fans, where the Knicks will fill the stadium every night, even when they suck. And they don't suck this year.

 

[louieatienza]

Hey, Joelpope.

It sure does look interesting when placing the numbers side-by-side -- golf is indeed more lucrative.
At the same time, and as you might know, golf is a much more expensive sport.
It requires significantly higher expenses at the outset:
(although there can be great deals at municipals where one also can merely rent golf clubs for the round)

Golf instruction can be expensive, a la carte.
One could become a member of a team and gain access to practice facilities and lessons in good fundamentals,
but that (most times) requires attending college/university, which can be expensive in its own right.

Beyond these numbers, however, there is a startling similarity:
(In the U.S.) both pool and golf slowly are losing numbers in terms of participation.
The participation is increasing in countries outside the U.S. for BOTH sports.

You can come up with your own conclusions as to why that's the case.
That horse has been beaten up many times in other posts.

Golf instructors:

Michael Breed: $600/hr (from $80/hr before his TV show on Golf Channel)
David Leadbetter: up to $10,000/day
The local public course guy: $120-$180/hr

I think decline in these past-times go hand-in-hand with decline in pay (or pay raise), decline in quality-of-life, increase in disposable income, and the general laziness of many kids today who we hope become the golfers, bowlers, and pool players of the future.

Conversely, although it has cooled off, the custom acoustic guitar market is still strong, with first tier makers getting $12k+ and to-of-the-top builders getting $40k per guitar, with 2-5 years wait list and 1-2 years build time. And I think there's a correlation here in the pool world with the high end cue market. They even make bespoke ground irons available to the well-heeled and even serialized golf club shafts - some that start at $1000.

 

[Ak Guy]

Love of the game

I kind of feel for any one in the last 15 years who has tried to make a living as a professional pool player. It looks like a tough way to go.

They are on the road and away from loved ones. There are few big pay outs, no guaranteed pay day or pension or health benefits and the competition is fierce on the world stage.

I don't see how any one can dominate many tournaments because of the skill level many possess. I mean it is brutal looking and has to be stressful for any responsible bread earner.

But, I guess they are all adults and it is their choice and right to pursue their dream!

 

[PoolBum]

Peter Dager, Dota 2 (video game) player, 2015 earnings: $1,730,076.

 

[Dimeball]

earnings...


From the manilla Tomes:

1 SVB $186,565
2 Shaw
3 Alex
4 Han-Qing
5 Orcollo
6 Han
7 Ouschan
8 Siming
9 Appleton
10 Jung-Lin $58,026


from PGA...

1 $2,376,000
2 $1,502,685
10 $803,576
70 $180,926
164 $58,170

Face - Palm!!!

 

[flyrv9]

Yea, other than a risk for skin cancer and a lightning strike - golfers have it pretty good. Hit a ball - get in the cart - hit a ball - get in the cart..... enter 19th hole and have a beer. Granted pro's have to walk, but exercise beats a smoky pool hall.

 

[PoolBum]

Since we're comparing salaries:

U.S. Supreme Court Justice: ~$225,000
Judge Judy: $47M