Eddie Robins' One Pocket books

juanbond

juanbond

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I just recently purchased "Winning One Pocket" and "Shots, Moves, and Strategies". I've been waiting some time to get these for a decent price.

I would like to make a PDF file of each book, so that I don't need to be constantly handling such valuable books. I'm not going to be selling the PDF on the internet or anything like that. It's just as a personal backup, much like making copies of your own CDs. Do any of you know if a copy shop or a place like Office Depot would do such a thing? I know Kinko's and places like that can make PDFs from scanned material, but will they do this from a copyrighted book? Have any of you ever tried this? Let me know...
 
Why?

A PDF file? Why not just a Word file, much easier to convert. The copy shop would have to have an Optical Character Reader unless you wanted to just put up with Graphic 'pictures' of the pages. You are not talking
cheap though, as the manual work involved is a lot to put a whole book
in.
 
Snapshot9 said:
A PDF file? Why not just a Word file, much easier to convert. The copy shop would have to have an Optical Character Reader unless you wanted to just put up with Graphic 'pictures' of the pages. You are not talking
cheap though, as the manual work involved is a lot to put a whole book
in.
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Either one would be fine with me... The format is irrelevant to me, as I will simply be reading it. Characters or pictures, either way.

Wouldn't they need an optical character reader to make a Word file out of it, too? I haven't ever done any of that stuff myself, so I don't know much about it...
 
Actually its much easier to make a pdf file than a word doc. Many of the new Photocopy machines scan and can save as pdf. The one we have at my office can save about 14-15 pages in one pdf file before the memory gets filled. It outputs a pdf file that is saved to a network location. Kinkos likely can do this, ask them.
 
Smorgass Bored said:
Those books aren't so rare that they can't be read. They were designed 'to be read'. Reading a book won't hurt the book or it's rarity. You sound as if you're up to something to me, maybe selling copies of the PDF file.
Doug
(always skeptical)
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Hmm... I don't think I typed anything above that was ambiguous or misleading about my reasons for doing this... You'll simply have to take my word that what I stated in my original post is the truth.

Anyhow...I have a large group of one-pocket playing friends around town. When I show them these books, I will feel obliged to let some of them handle and possibly borrow these at some point. I would MUCH much rather lend them a PDF file or printout of the PDF. If we were practicing a particular shot in the book, I'd rather not have the book laid out open nearby, chalk-covered fingers flipping back and forth. Surely you see the reasoning in this?

I certainly plan on protecting my sizable investment in these books. Surely you'll agree that books remain in better shape if left unhandled...especially when handled by less-than-careful fingers. And especially when handled by my dirty blue-collar friends' hands!
 
You'd have to do it yourself a copy shop wouldn't do it because of copyrights if they have self serve I don't think anyone would stop you.
 
kyle said:
You'd have to do it yourself a copy shop wouldn't do it because of copyrights if they have self serve I don't think anyone would stop you.
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That's about what I had figured. Thanks for the info, Kyle!
 
Snapshot9 said:
A PDF file? Why not just a Word file, much easier to convert. The copy shop would have to have an Optical Character Reader unless you wanted to just put up with Graphic 'pictures' of the pages. You are not talking
cheap though, as the manual work involved is a lot to put a whole book
in.
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When I was doing freelance editing, I would typically charge a dollar a page for this type of work.
 
juanbond said:
Hmm... I don't think I typed anything above that was ambiguous or misleading about my reasons for doing this... You'll simply have to take my word that what I stated in my original post is the truth.
Anyhow...I have a large group of one-pocket playing friends around town. When I show them these books, I will feel obliged to let some of them handle and possibly borrow these at some point. I would MUCH much rather lend them a PDF file or printout of the PDF.

(didn't someone recently go through something similar ? Freddy "The Beard" ?)
Doug

Yep, here it is: http://onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=940
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Making copies?

Talk about a good way to drive down the price of the book! :eek: You mentioned that you recently bought it at a decent price after waiting some time. (A couple of hundred dollars usually).
I'd recommend that you let your friends do the same and buy Eddie Robin's books on their own if they can't take care of yours.
The point is, if you copy it, you drive down the value of the very book you're trying to protect. After all, you may not want to make copies to sell, but how well do you know the people that you won't trust with an original? I don't suppose they might want to make an easy buck off of you and Eddie? :confused:
Avoid the crime of copying of a copyrighted work without the author's permission... Do us all a favor by holding onto your book and treating it and its authors with their earned respect. There's a wealth of knowledge in there that is more than worth the price paid; appreciate the book, and let the book's value appreciate for everyone. :rolleyes:
 
dont share your knowledge

juanbond said:
Hmm... I don't think I typed anything above that was ambiguous or misleading about my reasons for doing this... You'll simply have to take my word that what I stated in my original post is the truth.

Anyhow...I have a large group of one-pocket playing friends around town. When I show them these books, I will feel obliged to let some of them handle and possibly borrow these at some point. I would MUCH much rather lend them a PDF file or printout of the PDF. If we were practicing a particular shot in the book, I'd rather not have the book laid out open nearby, chalk-covered fingers flipping back and forth. Surely you see the reasoning in this?

I certainly plan on protecting my sizable investment in these books. Surely you'll agree that books remain in better shape if left unhandled...especially when handled by less-than-careful fingers. And especially when handled by my dirty blue-collar friends' hands!
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Why would you shre anything you learned with someone else?
 
Re making copies of my work - from - Eddie Robin

It was brought to my attention today that someone on AZBilliards was either making copies or about to make a copy or copies of my published work. I never did fully learn how to find and, in general, get around on these forums which might take me another hour for all I know. This thread may be the one refered to or there may be more such notes (called posts?) to be found.

Such breaking of my copyrights was done several times before on all three of my books. The stories I could tell!

The second to the most recent occurence re a man distributing photocopies of the P3C book (he was as near as can be to getting nailed in the act when he stopped) and he also acted as if it was not really wrong to break someones copyrights. Can you imagine someone advertising their breaking of copyright law on the internet? And I thought it was outrageous how people who can't discover a single truth or even think a decent original thought on their own will think nothing of simply changing my wording for works of their own.

Well, this case seems to be an advertisement of intent, but that is almost the same thing, and I dearly love nothing better than to catch such people! By the way; the photocopier previously mentioned, not very stupid or ignorant, had his justifications as well. I want people to know that the breaking of copyrights is NOT mostly from ignorance or stupidity in the vast majority of cases. Such justifications in advance is normally to show others that they are not really bad but rather are simply extremely ignorant or stupid and so shouldn't be punished, fined, or whatever because they had reasons.

For a more ethical billiard world, Eddie Robin


 
Since these books were purchased at the original retail price, how would this effect the author? While I don't believe that infringing on the copyright is proper, I also wonder why the author doesn't reprint the book so he will actutally profit. I would like to buy this book at a retail price so the author will benefit.
 
Niborst said:
It was brought to my attention today that someone on AZBilliards was either making copies or about to make a copy or copies of my published work. I never did fully learn how to find and, in general, get around on these forums which might take me another hour for all I know. This thread may be the one refered to or there may be more such notes (called posts?) to be found.

Such breaking of my copyrights was done several times before on all three of my books. The stories I could tell!

The second to the most recent occurence re a man distributing photocopies of the P3C book (he was as near as can be to getting nailed in the act when he stopped) and he also acted as if it was not really wrong to break someones copyrights. Can you imagine someone advertising their breaking of copyright law on the internet? And I thought it was outrageous how people who can't discover a single truth or even think a decent original thought on their own will think nothing of simply changing my wording for works of their own.

Well, this case seems to be an advertisement of intent, but that is almost the same thing, and I dearly love nothing better than to catch such people! By the way; the photocopier previously mentioned, not very stupid or ignorant, had his justifications as well. I want people to know that the breaking of copyrights is NOT mostly from ignorance or stupidity in the vast majority of cases. Such justifications in advance is normally to show others that they are not really bad but rather are simply extremely ignorant or stupid and so shouldn't be punished, fined, or whatever because they had reasons.

For a more ethical billiard world, Eddie Robin


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All very reasonable. But the temptation to copy the book would be much less if it weren't out of print (this doesn't make it right, of course). You don't make a dime when someone sells a copy on eBay anyway, so why not print another batch, or a new edition? People would line up to pay $40-$50 per legitimate copy.

If you can't get your current publisher to print another batch, there are companies that specialize in printing small batches on demand. For example, Trafford.

Cory
 
Cory in DC said:
All very reasonable. But the temptation to copy the book would be much less if it weren't out of print (this doesn't make it right, of course). You don't make a dime when someone sells a copy on eBay anyway, so why not print another batch, or a new edition? People would line up to pay $40-$50 per legitimate copy.

If you can't get your current publisher to print another batch, there are companies that specialize in printing small batches on demand. For example, Trafford.

Cory
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AMEN!
I am sure ebay resellers aren't paying Mr. Robin a red cent.
Print up some more for those of us who can't(or won't) pay $500
 
Hi i'd like to buy a copy of these books. JUANBOUND you said you found copies at a reasonable price. can you point me in the right direction
 
Cory in DC said:
All very reasonable. But the temptation to copy the book would be much less if it weren't out of print (this doesn't make it right, of course). You don't make a dime when someone sells a copy on eBay anyway, so why not print another batch, or a new edition? People would line up to pay $40-$50 per legitimate copy.

If you can't get your current publisher to print another batch, there are companies that specialize in printing small batches on demand. For example, Trafford.

Cory
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I've wondered about that, too. I would pay $50 each for new copies, even though I already have the old ones.
 
Concerning reprints of Eddie Robin's books

Per recent email from Eddie Robin:

"I'm not happy with people having to pay such prices for my books; I've actually been struggling at getting fully back into publishing of the several titles that are much needed and wanted by the billiard world. Although the new titles would be published first, they would be followed by re-printings of previous books as well. I cannot give you a timeline, but I am trying to do this as soon as I possibly can."
 
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