efrens cue, dealing with scammers and edge hybrid shaft

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trinacria

trinacria

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what cue did efren use in the make it happen?? never seen him with a veneered cue before.

sebestian roy, this dude from canada is a scam artist, dont deal with him. sold him a cue, he got buyers remorse and is now trying to get his money back through paypal. saying I lied about a cues condition after he told me he loved it. has sent me 100 messages, not exxagerating, he's out of his mind, I always get the crazies, his facebook is all about gov't conpisracy theories and stuff. oooffff, he's exhausting. he ain't getting shit back. lol.
fotunatly I never delete messages until It's clear the deal went smooth or for backup in situations like this.
I wouldn't mind giving money back, but he went way wrong about it. be nice yall/

edge hybrid shaft is the best aftermarket shaft period. Ive tried literally all of them, and this feels best, has the lowest deflection and I love the taper. long and smooth.

that's it. cheers:smile:
 
There are douchebags everywhere. Sorry you had to run into a canadian one :( and hope it doesnt disuade you from dealing with canadians in the future.
 
Yeah..seems like a persons reputation is worth dic* these days. I have had a few that have made me rethink "Is it worth it"...

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trinacria said:
what cue did efren use in the make it happen?? never seen him with a veneered cue before.

sebestian roy, this dude from canada is a scam artist, dont deal with him. sold him a cue, he got buyers remorse and is now trying to get his money back through paypal. saying I lied about a cues condition after he told me he loved it. has sent me 100 messages, not exxagerating, he's out of his mind, I always get the crazies, his facebook is all about gov't conpisracy theories and stuff. oooffff, he's exhausting. he ain't getting shit back. lol.
fotunatly I never delete messages until It's clear the deal went smooth or for backup in situations like this.
I wouldn't mind giving money back, but he went way wrong about it. be nice yall/

edge hybrid shaft is the best aftermarket shaft period. Ive tried literally all of them, and this feels best, has the lowest deflection and I love the taper. long and smooth.

that's it. cheers:smile:
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Alright I am the person he's referring to. The reality of the situation is he's the one who tried to scam me.. Here's the story.


I wanted to buy a cue from him on Ebay and he did not want to sell it to me because I am in Canada and he never shipped to Canada before. Then after that he told me that he would only sell me the cue if I give him a money gift on paypal because he said he wanted to not deal with the Ebay fee's....

I bought the cue for 571$ Canadian money. When I first got the cue I did not inspect it right away and so I ran a few racks with it and I liked the fact that the cue was perfectly straight and it played good so I messaged him telling him I was happy with the cue but then as I started to inspect the cue properly I started to realize that the cue was beat up to hell.... So I emailed him again to ask for a refund and I showed him the pictures and he ignored me and did not reply. I gave him 2 days to reply until I opened up a claim with paypal. then when he got the paypal claim he decided to reply to me and he accused me of beating the cue up on purpose so I can return it and called me a scam artist.... What could I possibly gain from buying a cue online via money gift with paypal and then beat it up on purpose to return it to get the exact amount of my money back???? I have had cues for years and I have never beat up a cue that bad, I don't even know how you can beat up a cue like that.... The cue in these pictures are the exact same shape that he sold it to me when he claimed that the cue was in good condition on his ebay ad.

This is the ebay ad for the cue. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/OB-cue-129-c...116ad04&pid=100040&rk=1&rkt=4&sd=111704462743

This is the AZB post for the cue. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=400847

I am currently working with paypal to get my money back and send him back the cue. I wanted the cue in the first place, I was disappointed that it was beat up to hell... I have absolutely nothing to gain from what happened to me..... I simply wanted a cue in good shape like he described it was.....

I just wanted to warn you guys to not deal with this guy. He's got a 100% ebay rep but something tells me that's because he didn't try to scam people using Ebay... That explains why he wanted to use money gift via paypal with me for this beat up cue.....

I hope I can get my money back and get rid of this dinged up beat down cue. I would never have a cue reach such a condition even after years of usage....


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Notice that he used a old picture of the cue on his Ebay ad. Look at the perfect shape the butt is in his ebay ad picture and look at the real condition of the butt when I received the cue.

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This is the real condition of the butt.

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this is after using the cue for a couple of weeks, who knows what the hell you did to it.
after you created 6, SIX, different ebay accounts and bombarded my account with messages, I answered hundreds of questions, you agreed to buy the cue. now you use it for as long as you like and decided to ask for your money back?? by the way boys, get ready to have AZB bombarded with a ridiculous amount of replys. this dudes a nutjob, a lonely loser who has nothing better to do than try to scam people. let me add a little something.

SEEMS TO ME LIKE HE EXAMINED THE CUE QUITE THORUGHLY, HE ONLY SAW A DING WHEN HE LOOKED UP AT THE LIGHT. god this guy is exhausting.
 

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there was nothing wrong with the cue, two weeks later the sky is falling. I'll let paypal settle it.;)
 
trinacria said:
this is after using the cue for a couple of weeks, who knows what the hell you did to it.
after you created 6, SIX, different ebay accounts and bombarded my account with messages, I answered hundreds of questions, you agreed to buy the cue. now you use it for as long as you like and decided to ask for your money back?? by the way boys, get ready to have AZB bombarded with a ridiculous amount of replys. this dudes a nutjob, a lonely loser who has nothing better to do than try to scam people. let me add a little something.

SEEMS TO ME LIKE HE EXAMINED THE CUE QUITE THORUGHLY, HE ONLY SAW A DING WHEN HE LOOKED UP AT THE LIGHT. god this guy is exhausting.
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That was before I actually inspected the cue and noticed that it was beat up to hell. This is the email I sent you right after that one.

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there was nothing wrong with the cue, two weeks later the sky is falling. I'll let paypal settle it.;)
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2 weeks later my ass..... Now I know for sure you are a scamming me... I Sent you the email asking for a refund right after the one I said I like the cue. The very same day I got the cue.
 
I deleted the 20 most recent, the ones I got today:angry: and 80 other ones before the deal went through.
this is an example, heres the seb9lc and sebsebro accounts, now picture 20-25 more messages on 4 more accounts, IM LOSING MY MIND. AAAAHHHHHHHHHH
 

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Ive been posting here for years, my rep is a long line of greens and good deals gone good. nice try. and i like how you chose three messages on the same day and pics you took. good job.
 
trinacria said:
I deleted the 20 most recent, the ones I got today:angry: and 80 other ones before the deal went through.
this is an example, heres the seb9lc and sebsebro accounts, now picture 20-25 more messages on 4 more accounts, IM LOSING MY MIND. AAAAHHHHHHHHHH
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Yeah I sent you a lot of questions because I wanted to make sure that the cue was in good condition and every time I sent you some questions you would not answer all my questions and I kept having to send it again and again, you were not answering properly. That's just the way i am, I communicate a lot. When I sell something to someone I don't mind telling that person every single details.....

If I were to sell this cue, since I am an honest person I would have to show them the pictures of all the wear and tear and dings you caused to the cue because I would not lie like you did by posting a false picture, that's called fraud.
 
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Yeah I sent you a lot of questions because I wanted to make sure that the cue was in good condition and every time I sent you some questions you would not answer all my questions and I kept having to send it again and again, you were not answering properly. That's just the way i am, I communicate a lot. When I sell something to someone I don't mind telling that person every single details.....

If I were to sell this cue, since I am an honest person I would have to show them the pictures of all the wear and tear and dings you caused to the cue because I would not lie like you did by posting a false picture, that's called fraud.
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keep backtracking SUCKA!!!! everytime you post something I have proof that youre full of shit. this is a pool forum, get tha FU K out if you have nothing of substance to post. Paypal will make the final decision.
 
trinacria said:
keep backtracking SUCKA!!!! everytime you post something I have proof that youre full of shit. this is a pool forum, get tha FU K out if you have nothing of substance to post. Paypal will make the final decision.
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You post lies so therefor I defend my self. You made a thread so therefor I want to explain to people the real truth of what happened, People can decide what they want to believe but I am gonna present them with the real information. not your lies.
 
And for a goddamn ob cue!!!!!!!! Were not talking szamboti here. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
trinacria said:
And for a goddamn ob cue!!!!!!!! Were not talking szamboti here. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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So why not accept my original request of refunding me for the cue and I will pay for the shipping 75$ to return your cue...........
 
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So why not accept my original request of refunding me for the cue and I will pay for the shipping 75$ to return your cue...........
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bc you beat the shit out of it. I dont want your greasy hands coming back to the states.
 
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