Ending a Match on a foul and winning?

[ykndoit]

I think this situation(or a similar one) has came up before on a different thread but I can't find it and don't remember the ruling so maybe someone with some knowledge can give their insight.....

In a ball count match(not just wins but ball count per game with a win counting as 10) can you win a match on a foul? Pocketing your own ball illegally to gain the last point needed to mathematically eliminate your opponent?

Hypothetically speaking.......
Say the score is 145(your opponents team) - 142(your team).(this is including the balls potted during this last game)

Your opponent has 1 ball left(stripes), you have 1 ball left(solids)

It is your opponents shot. Are they allowed to shoot into the 4 ball, pocketing the 10 ball and win the match(146+1=147) because even though they give up ball in hand and you would most likely have made the 4 ball and the 8(142+4=146), they would have reached 147 first?

If not, what would happen to the potted ball 10 ball? Does it get spotted? Does it not get spotted and just not count towards the ball count?

CueTable Help

A referee at the VNEA tournament said that it was not allowed at this specific tournament but was uncertain at a national(international) level.

Is there a VNEA Rule that is different than a BCAPL rule?

I am just curious as I would like to know the rule either way.

 

[master_cueist]

the rule is very simple in vnea in this case...and the vnea ref you talked to was WRONG....at the end of the game no matter how it was played out points are added based on balls left on the table no matter how it was pocketed....look at it this way...if your playing leagues and you miscue and hit your opponets ball (which is a foul) but that ball rolls over and makes your ball...when that game is over you just dont get that point? its the same thing in tournaments you add up the balls you accumulated at the end of each and every game no matter how balls are made. i have seen many many team tournament matches won and lost because a team needed one point to make it impossible for the other team to win and someone made that 1 ball any and every way possible whether thats fouling to make your ball or even if you make the 8 ball early too as long as you get that 1 point its still a win.

 

[randyg]

the rule is very simple in vnea in this case...and the vnea ref you talked to was WRONG....at the end of the game no matter how it was played out points are added based on balls left on the table no matter how it was pocketed....look at it this way...if your playing leagues and you miscue and hit your opponets ball (which is a foul) but that ball rolls over and makes your ball...when that game is over you just dont get that point? its the same thing in tournaments you add up the balls you accumulated at the end of each and every game no matter how balls are made. i have seen many many team tournament matches won and lost because a team needed one point to make it impossible for the other team to win and someone made that 1 ball any and every way possible whether thats fouling to make your ball or even if you make the 8 ball early too as long as you get that 1 point its still a win.

AMEN!!!
randyg

 

[alstl]

the rule is very simple in vnea in this case...and the vnea ref you talked to was WRONG....at the end of the game no matter how it was played out points are added based on balls left on the table no matter how it was pocketed....look at it this way...if your playing leagues and you miscue and hit your opponets ball (which is a foul) but that ball rolls over and makes your ball...when that game is over you just dont get that point? its the same thing in tournaments you add up the balls you accumulated at the end of each and every game no matter how balls are made. i have seen many many team tournament matches won and lost because a team needed one point to make it impossible for the other team to win and someone made that 1 ball any and every way possible whether thats fouling to make your ball or even if you make the 8 ball early too as long as you get that 1 point its still a win.

I don't play in any leagues but that seems like a flawed rule. If you pocket a ball illegally you still get credit for it?

 

[lorider]

I don't play in any leagues but that seems like a flawed rule. If you pocket a ball illegally you still get credit for it?

yea thats right. at the end of each game you total up points of each player. example: you make 4 balls but your opponent made one of yours while making one of yours you get credit for it. you got 5 points. other words at the end of each game you count up all of your balls pocketed whether you made them or yous opponent did. the 1st team to reach their handicap points wins the match. and people b*tch about the apa. lol

 

[lorider]

yea thats right. at the end of each game you total up points of each player. example: you make 4 balls but your opponent made one of yours while making one of yours you get credit for it. you got 5 points. other words at the end of each game you count up all of your balls pocketed whether you made them or yous opponent did. the 1st team to reach their handicap points wins the match. and people b*tch about the apa. lol

excuse my spelling, just got up from a late night out. also forgot to explain you get 1 point for each ball of yours in the pocket by you or your opponent , 2 points go to whoever pockets the 8 legally. again which team reaches their point handicap 1st wins.