English gurus, need help with backwards ( not backhand) english. Up

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sparkle84

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I recently came across this on the internet. First a little background on me. Been playing for about 60 years now, have always considered myself a student of the game and thought I knew quite a bit but this new type of English has me flummoxed.


As it was explained, it seems that if you give the CB left english but at the very last minute give a little twist and send your tip more to the left it mysteriously changes into right english.

At 1st I thought omg that can't be possible but upon further thought I began to wonder if maybe I've been wrong and it is possible.

Reason it's important to me is because I sometimes have trouble when I'm jacked up over a ball. Once every 437 shots I'm over a ball and need to use right english to get position but can only hit the left side of the CB. This is when backwards english would be a godsend. I guess it's kinda like having your cake and eating it also.

So I'm hoping someone can help me understand the physics of this and how to best execute it when needed. Embarrassingly I don't have a job and can't afford the internet (I'm at the library right now) and I know this is a closely guarded "Pro Secret" that is usually not divulged without large sums of cash and signing of NDA' s (whatever those are) but I'm hoping someone will take pity on me.

Just send me a PM (MI6 can't track them, can they?) and I'll check tomorrow when the library opens. I promise I won't tell anyone, you can trust me.

Thanks so much in advance, your friend, Sparkle.
 
sparkle84 said:
... As it was explained, it seems that if you give the CB left english but at the very last minute give a little twist and send your tip more to the left it mysteriously changes into right english. ...
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It is the direction and amount of rotation of the stick that is important, not that you move it farther to the side of the spin. You should be able to figure it out for yourself after that hint. Good luck with your game.
 
Bob Jewett said:
It is the direction and amount of rotation of the stick that is important, not that you move it farther to the side of the spin. You should be able to figure it out for yourself after that hint. Good luck with your game.
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Sorry but I'm not following.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think you need to be rotating, not following. I think Dr. Dave has a video about it, but the spin goes a little wrong for him. I'll try to find it.
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I'm sorry but am still not following ( logic wise, not topspin). I have never hit a ball with left english and had it react like it had right.
 
FranCrimi said:
You have to run around the ball while you're stroking so by the time you finish your stroke compared to where you're standing, the English is now on the opposite side. Oh, and you have to switch hands while running in order to properly execute the shot. It's a good shot to know --- once every 437 times.
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i think this is correct .... +1
 
You have to run around the ball while you're stroking so by the time you finish your stroke compared to where you're standing, the English is now on the opposite side. Oh, and you have to switch hands while running in order to properly execute the shot. It's a good shot to know --- once every 437 times.
 
sparkle84 said:
I'm sorry but am still not following ( logic wise, not topspin). I have never hit a ball with left english and had it react like it had right.
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If I understand you, you're thinking about hitting a ball on its left side so that it spins with right english, which is physically impossible. And so I agree with you completely, you've never seen it, never done it.

If you're referring to some of my comments on this topic, I'm talking about the cue ball's reaction to the cue stick's path, not the spin imparted to the cue ball (english) but the path of the cue ball (line of travel).

Example: A cue ball is touching a cluster of balls or is wedged near a rail blocking a legal stroke from some angles (or you just want to do cool looking trick shots). You know that, for example, a pivot english stroke on the left half of the cue ball will likely yield a certain path (squirt, curve, whatever). So you leave your bridge hand where it is and swerve the stroke a LOT so that you hit the left side of the cue ball, left of the vertical axis, but where you typically hit the cue ball using the right side of your tip, you hit it with the left side of the tip instead.

This is not the swerve stroke done with wrist pronation or supination alone, but with the ugly kind of arm movement Dr. Dave debunks in his video, because you won't get "more" english or whatever the (crazy) players say. Rather, the cue ball will go to the right with some oomph and you can make the cue ball jump, too.

I'll setup a cut shot into a nearby side pocket, the shot where players sometimes struggle to both cut the ball left and also go four rails around to the left side of the table. The cue ball jumps with impact, when aiming for bottom left english then swerving the stroke, and can be sent five rails pretty easily. To get the feel, first try it with so-called "parallel english" first, bridge and stroke hand over to the left side of the ball while trying to strike the cue ball with the left side of the cue's tip.

Try it. It's stupid, but it's stupid fun!
 
BilliardsAbout said:
If I understand you, you're thinking about hitting a ball on its left side so that it spins with right english, which is physically impossible. And so I agree with you completely, you've never seen it, never done it.

If you're referring to some of my comments on this topic, I'm talking about the cue ball's reaction to the cue stick's path, not the spin imparted to the cue ball (english) but the path of the cue ball (line of travel).

Example: A cue ball is touching a cluster of balls or is wedged near a rail blocking a legal stroke from some angles (or you just want to do cool looking trick shots). You know that, for example, a pivot english stroke on the left half of the cue ball will likely yield a certain path (squirt, curve, whatever). So you leave your bridge hand where it is and swerve the stroke a LOT so that you hit the left side of the cue ball, left of the vertical axis, but where you typically hit the cue ball using the right side of your tip, you hit it with the left side of the tip instead.

This is not the swerve stroke done with wrist pronation or supination alone, but with the ugly kind of arm movement Dr. Dave debunks in his video, because you won't get "more" english or whatever the (crazy) players say. Rather, the cue ball will go to the right with some oomph and you can make the cue ball jump, too.

I'll setup a cut shot into a nearby side pocket, the shot where players sometimes struggle to both cut the ball left and also go four rails around to the left side of the table. The cue ball jumps with impact, when aiming for bottom left english then swerving the stroke, and can be sent five rails pretty easily. To get the feel, first try it with so-called "parallel english" first, bridge and stroke hand over to the left side of the ball while trying to strike the cue ball with the left side of the cue's tip.

Try it. It's stupid, but it's stupid fun!
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Your absolutely right about one thing, it's stupid alright.
One thing it isn't though, it doesn't correlate whatsoever with your description of backwards english on the Billiards about site. Forgot a word or two again as you did with the straight pool?
 
sparkle84 said:
Your absolutely right about one thing, it's stupid alright.
One thing it isn't though, it doesn't correlate whatsoever with your description of backwards english on the Billiards about site. Forgot a word or two again as you did with the straight pool?
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Sparkle,

I'm responsible for neither your lack of reading comprehension nor your rude posts. Although I'm a patient person, if you post yet another 437 stupid posts, I'm going to get mildly annoyed at your trivial complaints.

I saw the "in-depth quote" from me you've misunderstood--you know--the couple of words you are whining about. I mean it really is about a word or two that's got you (shocking!) confused. I noticed you made a claim about my teaching on the OP without actually using the actual words from my site! But that's what compulsive liars and narcissists do, twist words.

You are doing the same thing as another person with fabulous reading glasses has done just a week ago or so, accusing me of creating impossible cue ball spin (english) rather than a fully possible line of travel for the cue ball (cue path).

You are full of peanuts, as at the circus.

I'm describing/have described a (mostly) trick shot, a circus shot. You should understand it, since you were in the circus before, yes?
 
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BilliardsAbout said:
I'm describing/have described a (mostly) trick shot, a circus shot.
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You mean the ridiculous one where you hit the CB on its left side with the center of your tip?

Or the ridiculous one where you hit the CB on the left side and it "acts like" it has right spin?

Did I mention that you look even more ridiculous scrambling to "explain" them?

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You mean the ridiculous one where you hit the CB on its left side with the center of your tip?

Or the ridiculous one where you hit the CB on the left side and it "acts like" it has right spin?

Did I mention that you look even more ridiculous scrambling to "explain" them?

pj
chgo
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Beep-Beep-Beep, Earth Calling PJ . . . Planet Earth Calling PJ, Come In, PJ:

1) One may strike the left side of the CB with different parts of the tip

2) One can hit the CB on the left side and send it in the same initial path/direction as when hitting it on the right side

Speaking of "acting like" you are still acting like when you've been banned from this fourm (banned five times or so now, wasn't it?) for speaking to people like garbage.

Do you need another "explain" of my point?
 
Patrick Johnson said:
lol - there's an "explain" in there?

Here's a pop quiz for you to demonstrate your understanding - to hit the CB with the tip's center, where must the cue be pointed?

Take your time. Call a friend.

pj
chgo
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I see I do have to explain. You are wrong and rude (what a surprise). And as always--your consistent pattern, you didn't answer my points:

1) One may strike the left side of the CB with different parts of the tip

2) One can hit the CB on the left side and send it in the same initial path/direction as when hitting it on the right side

PJ, you're a class(less) act.
 
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