ERO or not?

[ScottK]

Part of the reasoning for there having to be 15 balls to start with is...would you give a guy that made his 7 object balls and the eight with nothing in the way (those were the only balls on the table) the same credit as you would a guy that runs all of his object balls and the eight ball when there was considerable traffic on the table (namely the other guys balls)? We didn't want to, so we chose to make it hard to get an ERO.

If it was easy, everybody would be doing it...hey, didn't I just quote somebody there? That sure sounds familiar.

Thanks for all the replies, debate, arguments and discusion. I'm glad this didn't turn out to be one of those..."YOU F#&*)@%$ IDIOT" discusions.

L8R...Ken

So, what you're really asking is for opinions on the rule you set for an ERO. Because if you're going to be honest with us, and if everyone present for the match was being honest with each other, you all knew it counted as an ERO because it fell within the rules you explicitly set for it to count as such.

 

[ScottK]

I thought ERO was for Earned Run Out. The 'earned' part being that all balls were on the table to begin with. I couldn't find where on the BCA or WPA sites that they even mention an ERO.

No league does as far as I'm aware. It's a term they set for their league to indicated a player ran his 7 balls and pocketed the eight ball while his opponents 7 balls were still on the table.

 

[SKUNKBOY]

So, what you're really asking is for opinions on the rule you set for an ERO. Because if you're going to be honest with us, and if everyone present for the match was being honest with each other, you all knew it counted as an ERO because it fell within the rules you explicitly set for it to count as such.

No, I was looking for a point of technicality..that technical point being, was the table 'full' or was there a ball gone when the player approached the table. He had to make a decision before he could shoot.

On another technical note to consider, what if I had made the eight ball and a stripe and scratched? The same choices were available, but if the player chose to spot the eight ball and shoot, there is no way he would have been credited with and ERO...even by the consensous here, when he did finally shoot, that stripe would have been off the table and the '15 balls' rule would have kicked in.

So you see, there was and still is many points to ponder. I'm satified with the turnout...I just hope the last senerio doesn't come up...but it might.

L8R...Ken

 

[Meezer Girl]

In my 8 ball division it doesn't matter if it is your "1st turn at the table", as long as all 15 balls are on the table and you run out that is a Table Run and we pay $5 for it (used to pay $10 but it impacted the prize fund too much).

In my 10 ball division we don't pay "nightly" for table runs - same thing applies that it doesn't need to be your 1st turn - all 10 on table at start of your turn and all 10 down at the end. Unlike 8 ball, the 10 ball does not have to be a separate shot - say the 9 & 10 go in on the same shot, it does not matter if the 9 or 10 went down first as long as all 10 are down when the cue ball stops rolling We do pay MVP bonus $$$$ to 3 players with the most TRs.

Keep in mind that the BCAPL does not tell us how to pay out our prize fund - we vote on what we want to do

 

[ScottK]

No, I was looking for a point of technicality..that technical point being, was the table 'full' or was there a ball gone when the player approached the table. He had to make a decision before he could shoot.

On another technical note to consider, what if I had made the eight ball and a stripe and scratched? The same choices were available, but if the player chose to spot the eight ball and shoot, there is no way he would have been credited with and ERO...even by the consensous here, when he did finally shoot, that stripe would have been off the table and the '15 balls' rule would have kicked in.

So you see, there was and still is many points to ponder. I'm satified with the turnout...I just hope the last senerio doesn't come up...but it might.

L8R...Ken

Gotcha. I guess in my mind it's a forgone conclusion that his turn at the table doesn't begin until after he decides to spot the eight. I understand the question on the technicality though.

 

[Richardson]

Our league plays, 15 ball on the table. First attempt at the table for a ERO.

Last session i did win a game 10-0, on my 3rd attempt at the table.

 

[Meezer Girl]

No, I was looking for a point of technicality..that technical point being, was the table 'full' or was there a ball gone when the player approached the table. He had to make a decision before he could shoot.

On another technical note to consider, what if I had made the eight ball and a stripe and scratched? The same choices were available, but if the player chose to spot the eight ball and shoot, there is no way he would have been credited with and ERO...even by the consensous here, when he did finally shoot, that stripe would have been off the table and the '15 balls' rule would have kicked in.

So you see, there was and still is many points to ponder. I'm satified with the turnout...I just hope the last senerio doesn't come up...but it might.

L8R...Ken

Your league's rule, as you stated it, seems really clear to me - no technicallity required - "approaching the table" is not the act of "shooting". He didn't start "shooting" until he decided which "option" he wanted.

No thought needed on your scenario above either - a stripe was down so all 15 balls were not on the table

Not being a biatch - just sayin'

 

[SKUNKBOY]

Our league plays, 15 ball on the table. First attempt at the table for a ERO.

Last session i did win a game 10-0, on my 3rd attempt at the table.

I hate to admit it, but I have had a couple of those myself...one or two were on purpose with safeties and everything.

L8R...Ken

 

[elvicash]

Your league's rule, as you stated it, seems really clear to me - no technicallity required - "approaching the table" is not the act of "shooting". He didn't start "shooting" until he decided which "option" he wanted.

No thought needed on your scenario above either - a stripe was down so all 15 balls were not on the table

Not being a biatch - just sayin'

I agree Meezer Girl how I see it is he came up and it was his turn.

The first thing he had to do was select which table he wanted a turn at either a broken table with 15 balls, the 8 on the spot and BIH to begin however your rules were OR to be behind the line and re-break with a full rack of 15 balls.

His turn at the table began after his decision not before the decision so I think it was an ERO.

Skunk got a question for you lets say he decides the other way he wants to break a full rack he made a decision but the game is already underway so would you then rule that if he broke a full rack and ran out still no ERO. After all the game between two players was already started by the initial scratching breaker. I think you would expect the fresh rack breaker should get an ERO if he ran out so he should get an ERO after spotting the 8 ball.

So what was the official response from your league rules committee, I would be interested to know.

Dana in Indy

 

[SKUNKBOY]

Well, we don't exactly have a rules committee anymore. when something comes up like this, there is usually a bunch of guys at the pool hall that give their opinions but never the same guys. I'm usually one of the guys that gets asked first. I don't get stumped too often and someone else brought this particular scenerio to light. Since a prescendence has been established, this will probably be the 'rule' from here forward.

L8R...Ken

 

[Meezer Girl]

Well, we don't exactly have a rules committee anymore. when something comes up like this, there is usually a bunch of guys at the pool hall that give their opinions but never the same guys. I'm usually one of the guys that gets asked first. I don't get stumped too often and someone else brought this particular scenerio to light. Since a prescendence has been established, this will probably be the 'rule' from here forward.

L8R...Ken

Seems like you will need to vote before the beginning of your next session on the definition of a TR or ERO or whatever you want to call it.

Follow the KISS theory. The more "stipulations" (has to be your 1st turn) you put in the rule then the more problems (read interpretations) you will have to deal with

All 15 balls on the table when they start to shoot and all of his suite & 8 ball down when he is done is a table run. Does not matter if he started from "where the CB lies or with BIH" because he still had to negotiate around all the traffic and maintain his pattern to completion (read he earned it :wink2