Extreme deflection?

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The following excerpt is taken directly from Meucci's website:

Strike the cue ball off-center 3/8 of an inch; hit it hard and you’ll get maximum deflection. The cue ball will veer off-path from the direction the shaft is pointed by 1 1/2 inches in an 8 ft. span, possibly missing the entire object ball!

Now, this seems a bit exaggerated to me. Several times, during practice, I've tried to shoot a ball from one corner, to the opposite corner pocket (9 foot tables), with extreme right or left english. I aim straight towards the pocket, to see how much deflection occurs. And generally, the ball goes right into the pocket. The length I'm shooting is greater than 8 ft, yet I'm not seeing nearly as much deflection as the excerpt above states.

I'm only an average player, and I don't use much side english, as it usually causes me to miss my shot. But, when I try to produce extreme amounts of deflection, as stated above, I don't see that much.
 
Try one of Bob Meucci's cues with the Meucci shaft and this is most likely possible. The Meucci shaft is by far the most flexible shaft I've ever seen or played with.

...Zim
 
Speak of the devil. I use an old Meucci sneaky pete that my brother gave to me about 6 years ago. He himself must have owned it for about 7 years or so making it a late 80's, early 90's cue.
 
I don't think that the older Meucci shafts had as much flex as their newer ones. But, I've never tried that shot, but will tonight and see what happens. I have a Prather Custom Cue with a 314 shaft...we shall see!

...Zim
 
Predator shafts are supposed to have less deflection, though. I'm wondering why I have so little deflection, even though they are telling me I should have over 1 1/2 inch by the time my ball reachs the other end.
 
What I'm wondering though, is, am I doing something different that causes me to have less deflection than normal?
 
You could possibly be off a little with your stroke. It might not be detectable because you're mentally trying to throw the cue with english, and your stroke might be doing just the opposite! I don't know for sure, just a thought. I'll try it tonight and see what my results are!

...Zim
 
How hard is hard? 4-rail lag?
3/8 of an inch? That means almost a tip of english. It should deflect a lot on a Meucci.
If you are hitting down on the ball, you might be masseing it back to the side of the english.
How are you applying english? Parallel to the center line or you pivot off the center line?
Parallel should produce more deflection.
I can make a meucci shaft deflect a full ball easily.
 
Joseph Cues said:
How hard is hard? 4-rail lag?
3/8 of an inch? That means almost a tip of english. It should deflect a lot on a Meucci.
If you are hitting down on the ball, you might be masseing it back to the side of the english.
How are you applying english? Parallel to the center line or you pivot off the center line?
Parallel should produce more deflection.
I can make a meucci shaft deflect a full ball easily.
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Ah, that's probably it. I generally don't hit quite parallel to the floor. I usually hit at a slight angle. But, I'm not trying to put any top or bottom english on it. With just right or left spin, it shouldn't be enough to curve the ball right?
 
E-Licious said:
Ah, that's probably it. I generally don't hit quite parallel to the floor. I usually hit at a slight angle. But, I'm not trying to put any top or bottom english on it. With just right or left spin, it shouldn't be enough to curve the ball right?
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Any downward pressure on the cueball will cause it to curve.
I'm one of the majority here who think Meuccis are firewood.
 
i guess i can't help myself, when i see an chance like this, i'm gonna take it...
Meucci's are crap, crap, crap, crappity, crap.
Meucci's are crap, crap, crap, crappity, crap.
Meucci's are crap, crap, crap, crappity, crap.
Meucci's are crap, crap, crap, crappity, crap.
Meucci's are crap, crap, crap, crappity, crap.
i've never picked one up that was worth $0.02...

I'll have to say though, the the originals are the best meucci's made, then from there up to the 97 series (when the red dot got started) were second, and the red dot shaft is the worst playing shaft i have ever had the displeasure of playing with, i haven't tried the black dot yet, but knowing meucci... it'll be crap. I probably will not waste my time...


Thanks

Jon:D
 
BiG JoN- Take it easy on the Meucci's, geesh! (tell us how you really feel, haha) Meucci's are not that bad! They have a great look to them and do play well, for certain player, but not all. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean you have to slam it when you get the chance! There has to be a reason WHY you say they are crap, crap, crap, carppity crap. What is it? Inquiring minds want to know....

...Zim
 
ok, here it is,

yes they look nice, no they don't play that great, the construction is not that great (you try to pump out around 70,000 cues a year and see if you can't keep any kind of quality control) they are thrown together, and not enough time is taken, i've seen too many warp, quite a few that when the people first got them they had to send them back because when they tightened the shaft down on the butt, the joint screw would come out, and you could see that there wasn't that much glue there to begin with, and more care should have been taken to ensure that those things wouldn't happen, the ferrules are way too thin, and i'm not in favor of that many cue's that don't take the time to thread their ferrules on, i've seen too many meucci's that you could feel inlays or points or rings through the finish (not just old one's, even some new ones), the shaft wood has never been that great of a grade, the list could go on and on, but when i think of some more and am in a more relaxed place (i'm at work now), i'll be sure to post them for you :D

Thanks

Jon

It's your turn now.
 
I give up! Fast Larry, you know EVERYTHING about ANYTHING! You say you have over a hundred cues hanging on your wall, that's great, you say you've won many championships, that's great also. I do agree with BiG JoN about the crappy construction on the Meucci's. What ever happened to QUALITY not QUANTITY?

...Zim
 
Meuccis are crap.
Ask any cue repair man who's looked under the wrap.
Their implex joints and rings are crap. Their ferrules are crap as well.
 
fast larry said:
DEAR MR ZIM, GOOD POINT SIR, I PROUDLY MAKE MY LIVING PLAYING WITH A MEUCCI, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO, no matter if a thousand angles stand in front of me and scream its crap, crap, crap. It makes my shots, that is all I care about. I proudly also sell the cue line and have for several years. I like Bob and his line. I have had no problems.
Be advised however, there seems to be this very vicious and very passionate anger towards this cue on the boards. A lot of people will come out and bash it hard. I have 100 cues hanging on my wall, and it outplays all of them. I own everything, trust me on this. This is my only comment on this subject, I am not going to get into a debate over this cue, or even try to defend it.

It's a fine cue, and the bashes are simply un warrented. The cue is made in America, by Americans in the deep south. Every part and component is from America. Bob is a very proud & loyal American, I am also, which is one of the reasons we like each other and I entertain with a large American flag on my back of my vest. I am not trying to wave the flag here to get you to use his product.
Cues seem to be a passionate thing, and when a player buys into a brand, he of course tends to be loyal to it, but some then degrade everything else out there as trash. The truth is today, most of the cues out there are pretty damn fine playing instruments of high quality. Cues just keep getting better as time goes by.
Are Meucci's crap, I dont think so, but I drive a Ford, I bet you I can get millions of people to write in telling me fords are crap also, fix or repair daily. Nobody can ever agree on this stuff. If you have never played with a Meucci, find one, borrow one, give it an hour on the table. Notice all the extra english it gives you. Also note there is very little deflections, two very important things in a cue. Test drive one first, before you go along with what you hear, for what you feel, might be different from what you hear.

Best Wishes,
Fast Larry Guninger
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Notice all the extra english??? i think you mean unpredictable english, you should not have to have a cue made from the rubber tree to get great english, all you need is one of those things called a stroke... i think people have forgoten this over time, because so many cuemakers say that their cues get more english, people believe it. Why do so many people think that Nike is so much better than everything else... because Nike told them so. The same goes for cues, people think that meucci cues are the best, because Bob Meucci told them that, read some of his lectures and you will see what i mean. Don't get me wrong, i love reading his lectures and listening to him at trade shows, the man is a genius. In my opinion, Bob meucci may not be the best cuemaker out there, but he is the best damn cue salesman out there, i'll bet my bottom dollar on that.

Thanks

Jon
 
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