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GaryB

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It is repeatedly said that CTE is a visual system. Yet on the 2nde video Stan at the 42 minute portion says that his eyes are not on the lines when he gets his visuals. What then is the off set position from which he acquires the visuals? Is there no longer a set position from which the visuals are seen since we no longer step into the shot?
 
It is repeatedly said that CTE is a visual system. Yet on the 2nde video Stan at the 42 minute portion says that his eyes are not on the lines when he gets his visuals. What then is the off set position from which he acquires the visuals? Is there no longer a set position from which the visuals are seen since we no longer step into the shot?
He says that he is not standing directly behind the center to edge line or the aiming line. To achieve the visuals for both center to edge and edge to a,b,c, you are in a unique position to perceive both objectives at the same time. This gives you a fixed cue ball to rotate left or right into the shot line. Makes sense?
 
Unique position? Rather vague. Just experiment until you find your own unique head position with which to pick up your visuals?
 
On manual pivot he steps into the shot then does a manual pivot. On Pro One he says "going to assume that I already have my visuals in place & my eyes are fixed in a specific location." At no place that I can find does he state from where he acquired his visuals from. On a system that relies on a very small 6 1/2 mm movement to acquire the proper line I would think that the offset position from which he acquires his visuals would be more specific rather than so general. He simply says you are going to move your head right or left into the shot.
 
Gary, this is probably the most difficult concept of the system to grasp at first. Stan explains this rather well on one of the YouTube videos.

Get your body in the approximate 40 degree alignment to where you see center to center. Now, start slowly moving around the cb until you pick up the visual perception you are looking for. When you're there, move straight in for cte and then make your manual pivot or make a pro one move to go to the shot line.

With practice and experience, you'll start picking up the visuals faster and easier.
 
On manual pivot he steps into the shot then does a manual pivot. On Pro One he says "going to assume that I already have my visuals in place & my eyes are fixed in a specific location." At no place that I can find does he state from where he acquired his visuals from. On a system that relies on a very small 6 1/2 mm movement to acquire the proper line I would think that the offset position from which he acquires his visuals would be more specific rather than so general. He simply says you are going to move your head right or left into the shot.
Here's a good supplemental youtube video describing the perceptions and how to acquire them. I suggest you subscribe to Stan's youtube channel and review all of his videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKAP8iR3Lw
 
Here's a good supplemental youtube video describing the perceptions and how to acquire them. I suggest you subscribe to Stan's youtube channel and review all of his videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKAP8iR3Lw

No way, at this point, do I perceive CTE & ETA making all 3 of those shots. Just does not make sense, no matter the amount of pivot. I am going to spend time at the table shooting the diagrammed shots using a Manual Pivot and hopefully things will begin to fall into place. I am most definitely going top set up those three shots and see what happens and experiment. Hopefully there will be a "Eureka" moment.
 
No way, at this point, do I perceive CTE & ETA making all 3 of those shots. Just does not make sense, no matter the amount of pivot. I am going to spend time at the table shooting the diagrammed shots using a Manual Pivot and hopefully things will begin to fall into place. I am most definitely going top set up those three shots and see what happens and experiment. Hopefully there will be a "Eureka" moment.
Those three shots do go with the same perceptions. I have shot them myself, with the same disbelief as you. I know, it just doesn't seem to make sense, but somehow it works out. Don't get dicouraged if you miss. If they are barely missing just focus on getting your perceptions locked in and trust center CB.
 
Those three shots do go with the same perceptions. I have shot them myself, with the same disbelief as you. I know, it just doesn't seem to make sense, but somehow it works out. Don't get dicouraged if you miss. If they are barely missing just focus on getting your perceptions locked in and trust center CB.

They most certainly do and are a great representation of CTE/Pro One. The thickest cut looks like it is about a 2/3 ball hit when you're down on your shot line, the thinnest cut looks about a tip thinner than a 1/2 ball hit. But you can tell by your visual perceptions the first one is going to be thicker and the last one much thinner. The thinnest cut certainly isn't thought to be an easy shot, you usually get a raised eyebrow from your opponent when you cut one like that right in the center of the pocket.

BTW, the video BigC referenced is the one I was thinking of. There is a Perceptions II and III that are along the same lines and should also help you.
 
Gary, this is probably the most difficult concept of the system to grasp at first. Stan explains this rather well on one of the YouTube videos.

Get your body in the approximate 40 degree alignment to where you see center to center. Now, start slowly moving around the cb until you pick up the visual perception you are looking for. When you're there, move straight in for cte and then make your manual pivot or make a pro one move to go to the shot line.

With practice and experience, you'll start picking up the visuals faster and easier.

Thank you for the tip. It at least gives me a reference point to start from.
 
Ah one of the very few advantages of being completely blind in one eye... Not too hard to figure out which eye is dominant and no need to parse information coming from both a dominant and a weak eye.... Easy to find that line. :)
 
I have been going through withdrawal from heavy doses of prednisone that is being used to combat the radiation that I went through to handle vocal cord cancer. Anyway it has not been pretty and the Dr. says it will last several more days. Chills and shaking like the flu. During this time I have convinced myself that by changing my perception of my head and in relationship to my eyes and the OB's the shots will eventually be makeable using CTE, ETA. I know that it can be done. If I'm up for it tomorrow I am going on the table. I see that how you rotate changes what you see. I will watch Stans videos on Perception. Slow conversion.
 
I have been going through withdrawal from heavy doses of prednisone that is being used to combat the radiation that I went through to handle vocal cord cancer. Anyway it has not been pretty and the Dr. says it will last several more days. Chills and shaking like the flu. During this time I have convinced myself that by changing my perception of my head and in relationship to my eyes and the OB's the shots will eventually be makeable using CTE, ETA. I know that it can be done. If I'm up for it tomorrow I am going on the table. I see that how you rotate changes what you see. I will watch Stans videos on Perception. Slow conversion.
I hope you get well soon. Just remember that once you have your perceptions locked in, the CB is fixed and you are a half-tip rotation away to the shot line connecting you to the pocket. When you get ready to rotate L or R, focus on keeping the CB fixed. For a R visual sweep your head will come down slightly on the right side of center CB. And for a L visual sweep your head will come down slightly to the left side of CCB. Focusing on CCB while rotating is key.
 
I have been going through withdrawal from heavy doses of prednisone that is being used to combat the radiation that I went through to handle vocal cord cancer. Anyway it has not been pretty and the Dr. says it will last several more days. Chills and shaking like the flu. During this time I have convinced myself that by changing my perception of my head and in relationship to my eyes and the OB's the shots will eventually be makeable using CTE, ETA. I know that it can be done. If I'm up for it tomorrow I am going on the table. I see that how you rotate changes what you see. I will watch Stans videos on Perception. Slow conversion.
Good luck bud - Antibiotics are a pain in the ass. I've had to take pred as an eye drop for my condition a few times (though they've transitioned me to something else finally). Any time you're on antibiotics it just makes life suck. Or if life is still good, just... lower quality of life.
 
Gary, a lot of people seem to have problems with the concept of lining up behind the visuals. I put together a diagram - does this make sense?

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Gary, a lot of people seem to have problems with the concept of lining up behind the visuals. I put together a diagram - does this make sense?

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Ah, ha! It's starting to make more sense to me at any rate. Now I wish I had some time to spend on this, but we're getting ready to go visit my son next week. Maybe when I get back.
 
So, let me get this straight. You line up as in the above diagram, then move in to 1/2 tip from CCB (which side depends on whether or not you need to thicken or thin the hit?) then pivot to center and shoot? Am I close?
 
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