Fargorate

fastone371 said:
Fargorate uses far more than 2 competitors playing each other to increase/decrease ratings. It will look for common opponents, history of opponents and their ratings, match length, etc. Its not quite as simple as bowling for example where it just takes game scores and divides them by number of games bowled.
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Sounds like all my ex-girlfriends talking about whether or not I have changed as a result of COVID.

That is not something I would like to know or think about.

Ex-girlfriends ... the idea of gossip stresses me out.

Fargorate is the gossip circle of billiards
 
justnum said:
Sounds like all my ex-girlfriends talking about whether or not I have changed as a result of COVID.

That is not something I would like to know or think about.

Ex-girlfriends ... the idea of gossip stresses me out.

Fargorate is the gossip circle of billiards
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That is sounding like one of those players that bitches about handicapped tournaments then when an open tournament shows up you skip it because there are already a handful of 700 rated players signed up, it always seems to happen around here.
 
fastone371 said:
That is sounding like one of those players that bitches about handicapped tournaments then when an open tournament shows up you skip it because there are already a handful of 700 rated players signed up, it always seems to happen around here.
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so fargorate is just a handicapped tournament. why bother with a subscription service?
 
fastone371 said:
No, Fargorate is a system for rating players so that different level players can attempt to be equally matched.
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my update on learning from you is, that fargorate is a matching making subscription service.
i dont really need a fargorate to know someone is keeping me off the table.
If a player wants to mis represent themselves, its my job to pick up on it in a match and negotiate.

It is more fun to assess and gauge new players. Its called meeting people and seeing what happens.

Fargorate sounds like a colored belt system like in martial arts. McDojo is the meme.
 
atlas333 said:
I just signed up for a subscription to Fargorate for a yearly membership for $12.99. This seems super reasonable to me and I want to encourage everyone to do the same. Anyone who is trying to do positive things for Pool deserves our support and with such a reasonable fee there is little excuse not to. This came up because I was visiting my brother over the weekend and talking Pool knowing that he know zero about pool. But since he is a numbers guy he loved seeing the Fargorate app and what it showed and what could be learned about worldwide pool from it. He was also very interested to learn that women can compete with men in pool and that this is one of the few international sports where this is true. That topic came up after we were discussing "The Queens Gambit".
Anyway I just wanted to encourage anyone who has not sent his $12.99 to Fargorate to please do so and let's try to join together for the betterment of Pool.
Paul
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I remember a while ago there were discussions if a Woman with a Fargo of 600 was as good as a Man that was 600 hehe. People just could not get their heads around how statistics and Fargo worked.
 
David in FL said:
If that someone else doesn’t care about his own Fargorate it won’t matter. Heck, it wouldn’t be hard to have people who don‘t even play much, if any pool entered into the system...



I remember that he said he’s confident there isn’t a problem, but I don’t remember seeing any explanation as to why. Can you link me to it if I missed it?
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I haven't heard of any change in the primary rule that games are to be published as to who, where, when, and the scores, kind like a super duper public attest.
 
Should being at the top of a fargo rating system matter? Its billiards not advertising sales.

Even if people are equal based on fargo, it doesn't change the game.

The last issue is mainly being the cost. I would support fargo, but to charge makes it suspicious.

they invented a math formula that cost $12 to use a year. That feels more like advertising than anything else.
 
There are hundreds of props designed for use for the promotional side of our sport. Understanding that each has it's own fans and followers tucked in some corner of the pool universe, keeps me from disparaging any of them. Anything that promotes the game is fine by me.
 
justnum said:
Should being at the top of a fargo rating system matter? Its billiards not advertising sales.

Even if people are equal based on fargo, it doesn't change the game.

The last issue is mainly being the cost. I would support fargo, but to charge makes it suspicious.

they invented a math formula that cost $12 to use a year. That feels more like advertising than anything else.
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You don't need to pay anything to get put into the system or to look up a player rating. It's just a global independent rating system that anyone can feed match information to if they want, leagues, local tournaments. Unlike APA or other leagues that have a closed system. USAPL uses Fargo ratings, but so do several local tournaments I play in, all go into the same system for my rating. If you play in some event outside of the APA there is no way to get those results into the APA league ratings, so some "5" can go cash in an open event then go back to APA as a "5". If all the games you played everywhere were recorded and measured vs other players there will be a very well done handicap system out there, that is what Fargo is trying to do. You can't sandbag every event unless you like losing money, and soon as you play to your ability the spike in the graph will set off alarms. Say Bill has a 400 rating for a month, then he goes to a tournament and plays 8 players rated 500-600 and beats them all even, Bill will not be hiding as a 400 anymore.

Tournaments where everyone plays even and a transparent handicap systems is the best way to get an honest rating. Probably the only way. Then once you have a rating there can be a handicap worked out based on that.
 
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