Ferrules

Jon

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I just want some opinions here,

What is the overall opinion off Micarta Ferrules??? How do they hit/feel compared to the thermoset ferrules (aegis II, Ivorine-3, LBM) or ivory, and are they best attached sleeved, threaded, threaded/capped???

Thanks

Jon
 
They turn yellow in the long time. That's why SW quit using them. Schon used to have them too. Supposedly the new ones do not yellow. LBM is very hard and heavy. But it stays clean.
Ivorene III is lighter and softer but gets dirty fast.
Ivor-X , if you haven't tried it yet, hits like ivory, polishes and shines like ivory. It's softer than Melamine and probably about as hard as Ivorene.
All ferrules are better capped and threaded imo if you want it to last for a long time.
 
Buddha Jones said:
Hey JC, have you finished making a cue yet, I'd love to see pics of what you have done so far.
No, not yet. It'd be probably a year b4 they are done. You gotta be patient with wood. :cool: I'm turning more lumber to round and let them sit.
Zylr and I are finishing my break cue project though. We call it Mr Ugly b/c uh, it's ugly. :D
 
Joseph Cues said:
They turn yellow in the long time. That's why SW quit using them. Schon used to have them too. Supposedly the new ones do not yellow. LBM is very hard and heavy. But it stays clean.
Ivorene III is lighter and softer but gets dirty fast.
Ivor-X , if you haven't tried it yet, hits like ivory, polishes and shines like ivory. It's softer than Melamine and probably about as hard as Ivorene.
All ferrules are better capped and threaded imo if you want it to last for a long time.

Thanks, you seem to be plugging those ivor-x's quite a lot, so I just might try some (do you sell them btw???), I ordered a couple of micarta square blanks from atlas the last order or so, and turning them round was no problem... but drilling a tapping them was, I ended up with 4 0.500+/- ferrules, they both delaminated around the same place... they get hot really easy, and I guess I should expect that from laminated paper, and I don't have a boring bar small enough to start will a hole smaller than 1/4". Any ideas??? (besides drilling slow... I did that on the second one, in and out ((cool)) in and out ((cool)), so I don't know what to think of it), I'm thinking about installing the longest one (capped) and trying that, and if I don't like it I can always just heat 'er up, take 'er off, and cut/thread a longer tennon and not lose any length on the shaft itself. I'm getting some ivory ferrule blanks in soon, and when I finish my first cue (it's purdy, maple/bocote full splice w/BEM butt sleeve, bocote joint collar/butt cap, and purdy maple/bocote rings, radial pin), I’ll put an ivory ferrule w/triangle tip on one shaft, and ivor-x w/triangle on the other, and see which I like best...

Thanks

Jon

P.S. Also wondering... Pechauer's Ferrule, (CT Ferrule) (what is on my current playing cue ((Pechauer... Duh))) I noticed the last time I put on a tip, that it wasn't capped, threaded none the less, but not capped, wondering why, but I like the hit/feel/playability, does it compare to the ivor-x???
 
Jon, I was part of the making of the Ivor-X ferrule. Kerry Zeiler invented it and cuesforless sells them.
Thanks Troy.
Having a capped ferrule makes sense to me. First, you make the hit more uniform. Whether the ball makes contact with the center of the tip or the side, a capped ferrule hits more consistently than a non-capped kind. You also make it more durable as the walls are not crushed b/c the 3/16" capped takes much of the contact-induced pressure. The tip also glues better to a roughed face of a capped ferrule than to an exposed wood tenon.
Micarta makes for very good ferrules too. I don't know if they have solved the yellowing problems though.
Good ivory, capped and threaded, make for great ferrules as well. The difference between ivory and Ivor-X is Ivor-X is not nearly as weather/temperature sensetive as ivory. Ivory is also known to crack.
LBM make for great ferrules too for those who like the hard hit. It also stays very clean and will outlast the cue it's put on.
 
I've had Ivor-X ferrules on my Viattorre cue and like it a lot. I was suspicious at using this new ferrule at first but Jackson suggested I give them a try. It's been over 6 months and no regrets whatsoever.
 
This is all very confusing, you boys wanna talk shot, that's whut telephones are for. What am I supposed to do, tear off my ferrule now,l if so, what do I buy and put on. If I do, what do I get for it, I could care less if it shines, will it make be a better ball runner, give me less deflection or power? Talk our languagre. I heard most of you guys making this stuff cant run 3 balls, is that true.
 
Big Bopper, no sense in reading what you don't understand. However, some of us enjoy learning the knowledge that others on this board have to offer about the sport that we all enjoy. New things to think about are always welcomed to those that are willing to think.
 
bigbopper502000 said:
This is all very confusing, you boys wanna talk shot, that's whut telephones are for. What am I supposed to do, tear off my ferrule now,l if so, what do I buy and put on. If I do, what do I get for it, I could care less if it shines, will it make be a better ball runner, give me less deflection or power? Talk our languagre. I heard most of you guys making this stuff cant run 3 balls, is that true.


If you think it is confusing, you should ask questions instead of insulting, If you want to tear your ferrule off, more power to you, you should buy what you think you want, and get a professional to put it on, if you try a different ferrule, you should get a) a different hit, b) a different amount of deflection, c) a different amount of spin and/or d) a different feel. And why should I run up my phone bill, when I can just type it out, and wait for an answer/reply, and one last thing... I believe it's spelled... what, not whut, if you pronounce it that way, that's very sad, but typing it that way??? Even worse, after you have typed your post, hit ctrl+a, then ctrl+x, then open a word processor with spell check, then ctrl+v, and then do it all again, and paste it back here... It will make you seem more enlightened.

Thanks

Jon

Wow... I didn't directly call him stupid/ignorant/moron, I’m getting used to this whole "don't start a pissing match when you don't have to" thing... I was nicer that usual... I don't know if I like this or not... is this good or bad???
 
Read this post a couple of times big JON before you offer to insult anyones typing ability or intellect. I thought I was reading something written by a child until I re-read it. LOL

I cant say much about ferrules, but I can say that from talking to the man that invented ivor-x, I have no question as to his knowledge of pool cues. The guy really knows his stuff.





BiG_JoN said:
Thanks, you seem to be plugging those ivor-x's quite a lot, so I just might try some (do you sell them btw???), I ordered a couple of micarta square blanks from atlas the last order or so, and turning them round was no problem... but drilling a tapping them was, I ended up with 4 0.500+/- ferrules, they both delaminated around the same place... they get hot really easy, and I guess I should expect that from laminated paper, and I don't have a boring bar small enough to start will a hole smaller than 1/4". Any ideas??? (besides drilling slow... I did that on the second one, in and out ((cool)) in and out ((cool)), so I don't know what to think of it), I'm thinking about installing the longest one (capped) and trying that, and if I don't like it I can always just heat 'er up, take 'er off, and cut/thread a longer tennon and not lose any length on the shaft itself. I'm getting some ivory ferrule blanks in soon, and when I finish my first cue (it's purdy, maple/bocote full splice w/BEM butt sleeve, bocote joint collar/butt cap, and purdy maple/bocote rings, radial pin), I’ll put an ivory ferrule w/triangle tip on one shaft, and ivor-x w/triangle on the other, and see which I like best...

Thanks

Jon

P.S. Also wondering... Pechauer's Ferrule, (CT Ferrule) (what is on my current playing cue ((Pechauer... Duh))) I noticed the last time I put on a tip, that it wasn't capped, threaded none the less, but not capped, wondering why, but I like the hit/feel/playability, does it compare to the ivor-x???
 
I sure like the ivory ferrules on my Phillippi shafts. They feel fine, especially with the Talisman Pro Medium tips that I just installed.
 
Another Fast Larry post?

bigbopper502000 said:
This is all very confusing, you boys wanna talk shot, that's whut telephones are for. What am I supposed to do, tear off my ferrule now,l if so, what do I buy and put on. If I do, what do I get for it, I could care less if it shines, will it make be a better ball runner, give me less deflection or power? Talk our languagre. I heard most of you guys making this stuff cant run 3 balls, is that true.


Possibly another Fast Larry alias. :(

Brian
 
Rather than doo doo upon someone, just get on with your life and concentrate on improving your game. You'll be a much better person in the long run. If you can run.
 
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