Fiber ferrule pad ?

[gmcole]

I tried to install a fiber pad and tip last night. Everything looked great for about 3 shots then the pad came right off of the ferrule. I then repeated the process - it came off again. The tip appears to be secured to the pad, but the pad won't stay on the ferrule. I'm using Loctite gel super glue. Any suggestions?
thanks-jeff

 

[BarenbruggeCues]

Make sure the ferrule is faced off flat........with the pad glued to the tip, very carefully rough it on some 120 grit on a flat surface being careful not to round the edges. Don't need much......3 or 4 strokes back and forth...not circular.
Just enough glue to wet both surfaces......
How old is your glue? May need an upgraded bottle.
Repeat if necessary.........

 

[Cuedog]

This problem could be caused by a few different things.

(1) Are you touching the surface of the pad or the ferrule with your fingers? Oils from your hand can keep you from achieving a good adherence.

(2) Have you scuffed the pad with sand paper?

(3) Is the surface of the ferrule absolutely flat?

If all of the above is in place, then try again, but this time apply some CA (glue) on the surface of each and then wipe it off leaving a thin coat. Let it dry, then glue and attach as usual. Allow a bit more time to dry this time and then see if this works for you.

Gene

 

[rhncue]

This problem could be caused by a few different things.

(1) Are you touching the surface of the pad or the ferrule with your fingers? Oils from your hand can keep you from achieving a good adherence.

(2) Have you scuffed the pad with sand paper?

(3) Is the surface of the ferrule absolutely flat?

If all of the above is in place, then try again, but this time apply some CA (glue) on the surface of each and then wipe it off leaving a thin coat. Let it dry, then glue and attach as usual. Allow a bit more time to dry this time and then see if this works for you.

Gene

I have found that CA gel doesn't work as good on fibre ferrules as it does on phenolic ones. Often I see that the tip has stuck well to the tenon but the ferrule surface is blue from chalk as the tip wasn't stuck there.

Dick

 

[BLACKHEARTCUES]

I have found that CA gel doesn't work as good on fibre ferrules as it does on phenolic ones. Often I see that the tip has stuck well to the tenon but the ferrule surface is blue from chalk as the tip wasn't stuck there.

Dick

Dick, he doesn't have a fiber ferrule. He has a fiber pad, between the tip & ferrule...JER

 

[Cuedog]

I have found that CA gel doesn't work as good on fibre ferrules as it does on phenolic ones. Often I see that the tip has stuck well to the tenon but the ferrule surface is blue from chalk as the tip wasn't stuck there.

Dick

The majority of tip jobs that come across my bench are capped ferrules. This is the method that I use 98% of the time, and have had no pop-offs to my knowledge.

Gene

 

[Cue Crazy]

I have found that CA gel doesn't work as good on fibre ferrules as it does on phenolic ones. Often I see that the tip has stuck well to the tenon but the ferrule surface is blue from chalk as the tip wasn't stuck there.

Dick

Yeah I see that alot . Had one the other day that I could spin the fibre ferrule all the way around on the tenon because It needed reglued, but the tip was still firmly attatched to the end of the tenon, and the guy had been playing with it like that, never noticing It until I told him. He did keep telling Me that something just did'nt feel right about It , and that's why He wanted a new tip to try out. I maintain a butt load of house cues also that have fibre ferrules, and they act much the same way. Sometimes the ferrule settles or the tenon expands, and a tip may end up on alittle perch above the ferrule altogether. Not a bad feeling material for some people, but what I would have to do If I wanted a good bond has a longer cure time, and just not feasable with house cues for me. Someone's personal cue is another story. I aggree with what You say, I would'nt Use a Ca to glue the ferrules on at all, and even on the tip Your rolling the dice, only the odds are'nt in Your favor.


The pads can Be much the same way, but I've been having luck with 454, and If that fails, I have luck with a polyurethane glue when all else fails, only problem is It has a longer cure time. I have a triumph with the red backers glued up for someone right now as a matter of fact. Gotta go trim that sucker and clean the shaft. Hope it stays on when I'm done


Greg

 

[rhncue]

Dick, he doesn't have a fiber ferrule. He has a fiber pad, between the tip & ferrule...JER

Sorry, my bad. Reading to quickly to comprehend what I'm reading I guess.

Dick

 

[bruin70]

maybe the pad is absorbing the glue. seal it first. then scuff the surfaces of both.

 

[Zylr Cue]

99 times out of a hundred, if your tip pops off after 3 shots, the problem is surface preparation, period. The fibre layer just makes installation take twice as long. Loc-tite 454 is the most reliable CA I've ever seen when used properly. Just make sure you are applying enough pressure to force out any tiny air bubbles and hold it there for at least 30 seconds. In over ten years of useing 454, I've only ever got 2 bad tubes. When somebody wants a fibre backer, I prepare the backer and tip separately and glue them together by clamping them between 2 pieces of flat metal with a vice grip for at least a minute. Take it out and sand the bottom and install just like it was a regular tip job. If the cue surface is not square off (perfectly flat),
no glue in the world will keep it on. The only other thing I can think of is dust contamination. Develope a routine that works and never deviate from it. Cutting corners will only make you have to do twice the work. Good luck.