flat laminated shaft question

poolguppy

poolguppy

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My cue came with two shafts, one being flat laminated. I was worried that it might play differently depending on what side of the shaft is up. Just about every time I miscue on a strong left or right English shot, I notice the layers of the shaft are on their side, facing vertical. It would seem the nature of the stack construction would be more flexy in this situation, same going for the layers being stacked flat horizontal on top or low English shots, this would make sense as to why predator does pie lamination. What are your guys' thoughts on this? Is flat laminated not a good choice for shaft material or is it all in my head?
 
I am guessing you have a Meucci Black Dot shaft. I have never personally shot with one but I have also heard a lot of people having the same problems with them. Yet again I haven't heard anything really positive about flat laminated shafts like that. Just using common sense you would think that it wouldn't be nearly as consistent and a pie lamination like Predator use or almost all other company's use. I believe I read somewhere that they are meant to be shot with the logo on the shaft facing up towards you (might give that a try and see if it helps at all). Just my 2 cents here.
 
I was actually thinking of marking the shaft to have a top side, and no it's not a meucci it's a Bob Thompson that came with a standard HRM and the laminated shaft. I like it more than the standard shaft but think I need to start paying attention to position of the shaft
 
I just ordered a diamond wood, pre-impregnated with epoxy, shaft. Not sure if all are made that way. My source said there is only a 2% difference in squirt between layers up or side ways.
 
jtompilot said:
I just ordered a diamond wood, pre-impregnated with epoxy, shaft. Not sure if all are made that way. My source said there is only a 2% difference in squirt between layers up or side ways.
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And they play a lot stiffer than normal maple shaft.
No pro player plays with a Diamond wood shaft .
 
The shaft has nothing to do with you miscuing.

Just doesn't matter how you turn the shaft.

The problem would be your stroke, tip, or chalk.
 
The shafts that are laminated like plywood are just a bad idea.
The beauty of maple is that it flexes the same way no matter how you
turn....if it is round.

Ash flexes differently if the 'arrows' are up or sideways.

So making maple play inconsistent is insanity, IMO.

Jtompilot says there is only 2% difference in flexibility....
...that 2% can get you broke.
 
pt109 said:
The shafts that are laminated like plywood are just a bad idea.
The beauty of maple is that it flexes the same way no matter how you
turn....if it is round.

Ash flexes differently if the 'arrows' are up or sideways.

So making maple play inconsistent is insanity, IMO.

Jtompilot says there is only 2% difference in flexibility....
...that 2% can get you broke.
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And that is on a stiffer material, I'd imagine something less stiff would have more variance. I played all last night and and payed attention to shaft position, not a single miscue. Actually played at the top of my all night with that little quick check added to my routine, whether it's in my head or not what works, works
 
pt109 said:
The shafts that are laminated like plywood are just a bad idea.
The beauty of maple is that it flexes the same way no matter how you
turn....if it is round.

Ash flexes differently if the 'arrows' are up or sideways.

So making maple play inconsistent is insanity, IMO.

Jtompilot says there is only 2% difference in flexibility....
...that 2% can get you broke.
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So you think that a maple shaft playes consistently? There are grains in the wood. The grains are not consistent. Why do you think OB, Predator, and such, make a vairiation of plywood shafts?

I guess you have the science and testing of those maple shafts to prove there is less than 2% difference in squirt or flex no matter where that maple is pointed:rolleyes:
 
poolguppy said:
And that is on a stiffer material, I'd imagine something less stiff would have more variance. I played all last night and and payed attention to shaft position, not a single miscue. Actually played at the top of my all night with that little quick check added to my routine, whether it's in my head or not what works, works
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Miss cueing and shaft material should make no difference, thats your crooked stroke.

One of the reasons I'm trying diamond wood is that it wont warp. You can leave it out in the rain, the trunk of your hot car, or just leave it in the back your jet:thumbup:
 
jtompilot said:
So you think that a maple shaft playes consistently? There are grains in the wood. The grains are not consistent. Why do you think OB, Predator, and such, make a vairiation of plywood shafts?

I guess you have the science and testing of those maple shafts to prove there is less than 2% difference in squirt or flex no matter where that maple is pointed:rolleyes:
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A friend years ago brought me the specs on maple and ash compared
20 ways....this is what I remember about it as it is pertinent to a cue.
The pie-shaped pieces on LD shafts are fine, IMO, but layered like plywood
is not for me. I was a test pilot on a plywood snooker shaft years ago for
Dufferin on the Joe Davis snooker cues, and the shaft deflected different
when the layers were sideways or up and down.

And if a shaft is too stiff, you will get miscues on power draw shots, BTW.
McCarty from Predator found that out when trying a shaft using golf
technology.
 
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