Food for Thought Regarding a Truly Objective Aiming Method

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It seems to have become rather clearly apparent that a certain few, very vocal, individuals here on AZB have no real correct & accurate understanding of what objective means when that word is put into the context of the phrase ‘an objective aiming system’.

That would be an ‘aiming system’ that is objective in nature & does not rely on subjectivity.

That would be an ‘aiming system’ that functions on the utilization of objective means to determine & then facilitate arriving on the true line of all possible shots & does NOT rely on any subjective analysis, nor any conscious or subconscious ‘decisions’ based on any subjective analysis, nor any subjective input or direction in getting the cue stick to those true shot lines.

A member here on AZB, has determined that it would take 75 separate & distinct Cue Ball – Object Ball collision outcome angles to successfully pocket all of the cut shots required by the game that could come up at any given time. That is due to pocket slop, but since 'a truly objective system' would be a center pocket 'system', I’m going to use 90, 0 to 89 degrees would be 90 distinct angles with a contact point for each one.

I know of NO system or method that has 75 or 90 individual objective markers that indicate an aiming line that would result in each of those required angles in any objectively defined manner.

Hence, for the lack of such, any system or method that utilizes less than 75 or 90 individually specific objective markers would require subjective analysis, subjective interpretation, subjective decisions, & subjective input & direction to arrive on any shot line that one would ultimately use.

So… any system or method that does not have those 75 or 90 individually specific objective markers would by necessity have to be a subjective aiming system, just as all currently known systems or methods currently are.

Even if a system or method did have the 75 or 90 objective markers, how would an individual know, objectively, which one would apply to any given cut shot? It would still take one’s subjective interpretation of the shot at hand to then make a subjective decision as to which of the 75 or 90 objective markers to apply to the shot.

The circumference of the 2 ¼ inch diameter object ball is 7.0686 inches. The one quadrant of it that is contacted by the cue ball to ‘angle’ or cut a ball differently from a center to center hit is 1.76715 inches. Divide that by 90 for the required objective markers for a center pocket system = .019635 inches on the ball, or less than 2 hundredths on an inch. That would be the amount of separation between each of the required 90 objective markers.

Now which ONE would it be for any given cut shot? How would any normal human being… 1st. know which ONE of something that small & near to one another would be the correct ONE… & then maintain focus on it & then align & direct the appropriate point of the cue ball to make contact with that ONE & ONLY POINT. Where would the cue stick need to be aligned to make that happen? It’s not just point the cue through center CB to that point. That’s just the point that a corresponding point of the Cue Ball would need to make contact. Where does one align & point the cue stick to get that less than 2 hundredths of an inch spot on the cue ball to contact the other less than 2 hundredths of an inch POINT on the OB. And that is not even accurate as that is just the separation between the ‘infinitely’ small ‘objective’ points.

I sincerely hope that this can help in the realization of how extremely difficult & for all practical purposes & how practically ‘impossible’ it would be to have a truly ‘objective aiming system’.

It should also make one realize just how amazing our bodies & minds are to be able to play the game with any real level of consistent success. I will trust my subconscious mind (feel) way more than I trust my intellect & conscious mind.

Please Think for Yourself & Please Make Your own Determinations.

Best Wishes to ALL & Your Families & Friends,
Rick

PS Joe Tucker has an aiming method where one envisions I think 9 points on the outside quadrant of the OB & the same on the inside quadrant of the CB & then one ‘matches’ them up as indicated by where the OB sits on the table relative to the pocket.

Is that a macro objective system or method? What about when the balls are not exactly on the designated line? Subjective interpretation? How many center pocket points for other angles are there between those 9 markers. Would that be TEN(10) between each one. Subjective interpretation?
 
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In my time here on AZB, I have seen NO PROOF that CTE is per the description of ‘an ‘objective aiming system’.

Some, like those vocal individuals, seem to not know what type of proof would be required for something of the likes of objective or subjective when either is put into a phrase along with the word ‘aiming system’. Some think a video can be proof. Some thing ones ability & success that uses the method can be proof. The truth is neither of those or really any physical type of test or demonstration or record of performance can be any real proof in that realm.

The only real proof would have to be a rational, reasonable, logical, critically thought out, non science bending analysis & subsequent explanation. That is because of the nature of what objective & subjective are which are basically means of perception of physical matter around us or that we can see.

If there is a shot on the table say with the Object Ball on the spot & the Cue Ball behind the head string to one side so that the cut would be to the left. My perception of the shot might be that it is a center CB to the edge of the OB but your perception might be that it is the center of the CB to say a 1/8 of an inch more to the outside past the edge of the OB.

That is subjective perception. The shot is there for us to both see it visually, but we two each have a different subjective perception of the shot at hand. We might both agree that it is about a 30 degree cut, but there is nothing there to objectively tell either one of us what the actual true, objectively true line for the shot actually is.

Now let’s say that I was wrong & you were correct & the ball pocketed when you shot it with the alignment of the center CB to 1/8 inch outside the edge of the OB. So… that was the objectively true line for the shot. Does that mean that you used an objective aiming method to decide on the line of that shot? No it does not.

Did I use an objective means to shoot the shot? Yes I did. I aligned the center of the CB to the actually visually objective edge of the OB… but that was NOT the objectively true line for the shot. Yours was with the center of the CB aligned out into space about that 1/8 inch off of the objectively visual point of the edge of the OB.

CTE is supposed to be such because it is supposed to eliminate the subjectivity that is present in other methods say as one makes adjustments off of the ‘objective’ of say the fractional aiming method where the object ball is divided into quarters & one would align the center or edge to those objective markers. The subjectivity of methods like that is when a particular shot does not specifically fit the outcome angle that those alignment aids would yield & one would then would have to use their own individual subjective ‘whatever’ to determine, choose, select an amount & direction of variation based off one of the objective markers.

CTE is supposed to take that need out of necessity by the adding of a Center to Edge line along with the edge to one of the ¼ division lines of the object ball known as A, B, & C where B is the center of the ball & the A & C are ¼ line divisions on each side of that center line.

So along with the CTE line, for cutting to the left the ETA line would be an approximate 15* cut, ETB a 30* cut & ETC a 45* cut. So, the thing is one must use there subjective perception to determine which of the above would be near to an actual shot.

So let’s say that we have that earlier shot but the cue ball is moved a bit more to the right & we both use our individual subjective perception & we both select that it should be the ETB visual. I use my subjective perception of the shot & I choice to thicken the shot with the pivot & you choice to thin the shot. The reason that we can make those different choices is because there is nothing objective to tell either one of us exactly which one it is. This time my subjective choice is correct & yours is not.

So…

How & Why would CTE an objective aiming system?

Best Wishes to ALL.
 
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.........stop the MADNESS!!
 
It's very easy...

Simply answer the question...

How & Why is "IT" an objective aiming method.

You've never even tried to do that...

but you did falsely suggest that I might be a child molester in your attempt to inflame me in hope of me getting what you got.

What you got for the untrue vile, disgusting, & immoral suggestion should have been way more significant IMO & perhaps a typographical error was made in that regard that perhaps might get corrected, if you're posting when perhaps you should not be.

I can only hope & pray that you were NOT projecting your true self out onto me.

I pray that that is not the case. If I had any inkling of proof that that were the case I'd use a nickle.

The first post by a CTE supporter is one to start the derailing with no logical discussion...

As is almost always the case.

I think should be rather telling to any neutral party to see how many follow suit.
 
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It's very easy...

Simply answer the question...

How & Why is "IT" an objective aiming method.

You've never even tried to do that...

but you did falsely suggest that I might be a child molester in your attempt to inflame me in hope of me getting what you got.

What you got for the untrue vile, disgusting, & immoral suggestion should have been way more significant IMO & perhaps a typographical error was made that perhaps might get corrected.

I can only hope & pray that you were NOT projecting your true self out onto me.

I pray that that is not the case. If I had any inkling of proof that that were the case I'd use a nickle.

The first post by a CTE supporter is one to start the derailing with no logical discussion...

As is almost always the case.

Hey, I've used my real name on here multiple times...........easy to find that stuff out, it's public record, right?

How about you reveal your real name. If you would I'd bet some of this nonsense would get toned down a bit, ya think?

Or do you not want us to find out that you likely can't play a lick and the reason CTE didn't work for you is because no aiming system in the world is gonna help one that can't stroke straight!

Now run along back to the NPR section and do what you really like to do.....you really get in-stroke over there, don't you?
 
A Difference between DTL and ENGLISH

English was invited to my home for FREE TRAINING AND HOSTING so he could receive CTE info first hand for his analysis and reporting and whatever. What did he do...he turned it down and NEVER requested a rescheduling.
What has he done since? Pecked out with his pecker, his finger, hundreds of thousands of letters....all anti-CTE. Has not shot one single ball for video purposes. Go figure.

DTL was invited for training. What did he do? He studiously engaged in the training and had follow-up phone lessons for any concerns. What happened a week later? DTL RUNS A HUNDRED PLUS ON VIDEO CALLING OUT THE VISUALS AND THE PIVOTS.

See the difference?

Stan Shuffett
 
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Three(3) posts by CTEers...

not one point on the subject matter...

only incomplete, misleading, 'accusations' regarding the author of the OP & nothing to do with the subject of an objective aiming system.

Like I said, it should be very telling to see who would follow suit on that type of thread derailment.

I could waste time defending all that was said regarding me as I have already done before, but that would just further derail the thread.

The title of the thread starts out with "Food for Thought".

Neutral readers already have a '3 course meal'.

If anyone would like to seriously & civilly discuss the subject of the tread I would be glad to participate. Other type posts will just be the dessert of the food for thought regarding the 'CTEers Tactics' which will stoop so low as to falsely use vile, disgusting, immoral suggestions to insight emotional responses, in others words Troll.

As Spock would say, "Interesting. Very Interesting.".

Best Wishes to All.

PS I have said some positive things about "IT". I've just not referred to it as 'an objective aiming system'. I've also said that if it could be logically shown to be an objective aiming system, it can't, but if it could, I would be all over it.
 
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Three(3) posst by CTEers...

not one point on the subject matter...

only incomplete, misleading, 'accusations' regarding the author & nothing to do with the subject of an objective aiming system.

Like I said, it should be very telling to see who would follow suit on that type of thread derailment.

I could waste time defending all that was said I have already done before that would just further derail the the thread.

The title of the thread starts out with "Food for Thought".

Nuetral readers already have a '3 course meal'.

What possibly could be said in this new thread of yours that hasn't already been said a 1000+ times?
 
English was invited to my home for FREE TRAINING AND HOSTING so he could receive CTE info first hand for his analysis and reporting and whatever. What did he do...he turned it down and NEVER requested a rescheduling.
What has he done since? Pecked out with his pecker, his finger, hundreds of thousands of letters....all anti-CTE. Has not shot one single ball for video purposes. Go figure.

DTL was invited for training. What did he do? He studiously engaged in the training and had follow-up phone lessons for any concerns. What happened a week later? DTL RUNS A HUNDRED PLUS ON VIDEO CALLING OUT THE VISUALS AND THE PIVOTS.

See the difference?

Stan Shuffett

Gee, what would it take for me to get the same offer? I've been pretty good about CTE. Do I need to be a first-class dick like Rich? ;)
 
What possibly could be said in this new thread of yours that hasn't already been said a 1000+ times?

Do you seriously think that I am going to have ANY normal type of conversation with one that would stoop as low as you have.

The gutter on Bourbon Street is too clean of a place for the likes of you.
 
Gee, what would it take for me to get the same offer? I've been pretty good about CTE. Do I need to be a first-class dick like Rich? ;)

Whether it's you or any other person on the planet, try as you/we might, NOBODY can be in his league as a first-class dick or come close to his level of insanity. And it really is insanity.

What's unbelievably insane is the people in charge here let him continue this Fast Larry crap with the novel length posts, talking to himself, and having a record setting number of posts on a daily basis that exceeds anything in the history of this or ANY forum on the internet.

Why is this being allowed? Makes no sense, none at all.
 
I've said in my OP & 2nd. post things that have not been said since I have become involved in these discussions.

That is the purpose of the thread to provide additional 'food for thought' for even the possibility of having anything that could LEGITIMATELY be called 'an objective aiming method'.

If one is looking for 'an objective aiming method'...

by my reasoning, one simply does not exist.
 
Three(3) posts by CTEers...

not one point on the subject matter...

only incomplete, misleading, 'accusations' regarding the author of the OP & nothing to do with the subject of an objective aiming system.

Like I said, it should be very telling to see who would follow suit on that type of thread derailment.

I could waste time defending all that was said regarding me as I have already done before, but that would just further derail the the thread.

The title of the thread starts out with "Food for Thought".

Neutral readers already have a '3 course meal'.

If anyone would like to seriously & civilly discuss the subject of the tread I would be glad to participate. Other type posts will just be the dessert of the food for thought regarding the 'CTEers Tactics' with will stop so low as to falsely use file, disgusting, immoral suggestions to insight emotional responses, in others words Troll.

As Spock would say, "Interesting. Very Interesting.".

Best Wishes to All.

PS I have said some positive things about "IT". I've just referred to it as 'an objective aiming system'. I've also said that if it could be logically shown to be an objective aiming system, it can't, but if it could, I would be all over it.

No one likes a three course meal of spam shoved down their throats all the time. And, spam is all your posts are.

As far as seriously and civily discussing anything, you have shown repeatedly, including in your posts already in this thread alone, that you are absolutely incapable of such a thing. You only want the world to cater to your demands, and it's never going to happen. You exhibit over 90% of the characteristics of a narcissist. And you really need to go seek some help about that.

Now go ahead and run me down, as you have to do with your mental disorder. I won't give you another seconds time in this babbling thread of yours.
 
No one likes a three course meal of spam shoved down their throats all the time. And, spam is all your posts are.

As far as seriously and civily discussing anything, you have shown repeatedly, including in your posts already in this thread alone, that you are absolutely incapable of such a thing. You only want the world to cater to your demands, and it's never going to happen. You exhibit over 90% of the characteristics of a narcissist. And you really need to go seek some help about that.

Now go ahead and run me down, as you have to do with your mental disorder. I won't give you another seconds time in this babbling thread of yours.

Will you take an Oath on the Bible that you will NOT make another post in this thread?

If so, please so solemnly state such?

And then perhaps you would like to go back & wipe out ALL of your posts since the last time that you performed that 'rational' behavior.

You're the biggest 'H' member of the entire board.

You too project yourself out onto others. I think you will be shown the error of your ways soon enough & I might not be you long behind you.

By the way the 3 course meal was the 3 posts by the CTEers.
 
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That's 7 of 15 posts by CTEers & not one on the actual logical subject matter of the thread. (& the 8 are mine)

All the same tactic of attack the the messenger.

Telling, very telling.
 
'a truly objective system' would be a center pocket 'system'
This is untrue; an objective system could take pocket slop into account.

But it wouldn't matter - it's still too many cut angles for any system to be usable by humans without "adjustments".

pj
chgo
 
Gee, what would it take for me to get the same offer? I've been pretty good about CTE. Do I need to be a first-class dick like Rich? ;)

Dick's offer was 5 years ago during my pre work for dvd1 before I realized he was a dick. He sent me a PM......sort of a wolf in sheep's clothing message. I misread him as I tend to look for the good in people.

Sloppy Pockets, if you ever in my area, I will be glad to treat you with a little training and lunch, too.

Stan Shuffett
 
This is untrue; an objective system could take pocket slop into account.

But it wouldn't matter - it's still too many cut angles for any system to be usable by humans without "adjustments".

pj
chgo

I think I understand what you're saying, but 'the system' would be based on center pocket, would it not?

And then the pocket slop would be variance of execution, would it not?

R.
 
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