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Playing "cue ball only" type fouls... is it a foul if you shoot your object ball and then the cue stick touches a different ball, that different ball then nudges another ball? This was all on a long reach shot when the cue was being brought back after the shot. The cue ball did not come back through the path of the hit balls, or hit either of the balls touched, which I know is a foul for sure. I was told this was a foul last night because 2 balls moved and I had never heard this before. I just assumed it was my opponents option to move the balls back or not. And this actually made my position much worse as the 8 ball (playing 8 ball) was the ball nudged and it limited the pockets it would go into. So I figured he would just leave the balls as is in my new tougher positions but instead was told it was a foul. Numerous other people were brought in and some thought foul, some thought it was not a foul.
 
VNEA rules are it is not a foul but your opponent has the option to move the balls back unless. It's only a foul if the cueball contacts any of the balls you moved.

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8. ACCIDENTALLY moving or touching any ball is not a foul unless: 1) the moved ball is the cue ball or 2) a moved ball makes contact with the cue ball or 3) a moved ball that is jumped off the table or pocketed or causes any ball to be jumped off the table or pocketed. (exception to #3: If the 8-ball is jumped off the table or pocketed it is loss of game if called by the opponent before the next shot is taken). Only opponent may replace the ball moved as closely as possible or leave it where it rests. If the shooter replaces the moved ball, it will be considered a foul.
 
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Depends on the rules, I think in the rules the pro events use, if you move more than one ball, its a foul.
 
UPA rules

b) Touching a moving object ball: Touching a moving object ball or allowing a moving ball to hit a foreign object is a ball in hand foul. If the accidental movement of a ball(s) results in the disturbed ball(s) being struck by any moving balls in play, it results in a ball in hand foul.
c) Touching a still object ball: Any still object ball moved can only be moved back to its original position with the permission of the opponent. However the opponent may exercise the option of keeping disturbed ball(s) in new position if they so choose. Only after receiving consent from the opponent, the player who has committed the error may move the disturbed object ball(s) back to original position. If the player who has committed the infraction touches any of the disturbed balls without consent of opponent, it will result in a loss of turn with ball in hand to the opponent.
NOTE: If the 8-ball was pocketed the result shall be a loss of game (see 4.2).
 
It does depend on the rules...

however, it doesn't have to actually hit one of the moved balls. If the cueball goes into the path of one of the moved balls. i.e. would have hit it if it hadn't been moved, it is STILL a foul.

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
however, it doesn't have to actually hit one of the moved balls. If the cueball goes into the path of one of the moved balls. i.e. would have hit it if it hadn't been moved, it is STILL a foul.

Jaden
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I've never ran into that situation and I agree it should hold true but I don't think it's a foul in VNEA unless I have an outdated rulebook.
 
Softballmvp said:
Playing "cue ball only" type fouls... is it a foul if you shoot your object ball and then the cue stick touches a different ball, that different ball then nudges another ball? This was all on a long reach shot when the cue was being brought back after the shot. The cue ball did not come back through the path of the hit balls, or hit either of the balls touched, which I know is a foul for sure. I was told this was a foul last night because 2 balls moved and I had never heard this before. I just assumed it was my opponents option to move the balls back or not. And this actually made my position much worse as the 8 ball (playing 8 ball) was the ball nudged and it limited the pockets it would go into. So I figured he would just leave the balls as is in my new tougher positions but instead was told it was a foul. Numerous other people were brought in and some thought foul, some thought it was not a foul.
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If you are playing by BCA rules or any CSI sanctioned league; the moving of two balls is a foul.
"1-33-7. It is a foul if:
a. you disturb the cue ball;
b. you disturb more than one object ball;
c. a disturbed ball contacts any other ball;
d. you disturb a ball that is in motion."
 
Duane Hinton said:
If you are playing by BCA rules or any CSI sanctioned league; the moving of two balls is a foul.
"1-33-7. It is a foul if:
a. you disturb the cue ball;
b. you disturb more than one object ball;
c. a disturbed ball contacts any other ball;
d. you disturb a ball that is in motion."
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Thanks for that Duane. I know a lot if not most play BCA so that's probably more helpful than my answer.

Got to love all the different leagues and how they all have different rules for a pretty simple game.
 
Thank you for the replies, I'm well aware that if the cue ball had gone through the path of where the balls were it is a foul. This did not happen. Appears it is a foul in BCA, is not in VNEA? We never actually stated what we were playing, but we have VNEA leagues here (Iowa) and also ISPA, which was previously BCA. So hmmm.
 
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