G10 pin?

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I recently acquired a Mike Durbin cue signed by Mark Wilson with a G10 pin. I never knew anyone other than Cognescenti to use this pinand wondered if it should not be there? The joint seems to be made of the same material. I have alwats thought Cognescenti's looked awesome desdpite the different pin and wanted to play with one. My budget doesn't allow buying one and when I came across this I was amazed. Just wondered if all was as it should be? Thanks for any help.

MOUSE
 
G10 pins are gaining in popularity. More people are inquiring about them being made using 3/8 X 10 and Radials.
 
mouse.......there is nothing wrong with another cuemaker using the g-10 pin as cognoscenti cant get a patent on the material or the fact he uses it as a pins ....he was just the first person to take a chance and use that material and after seeing how strong and durable it is other cuemakers are wanting to use it......so to answer your question....joe gold was just the person that done the hard work in research and testing to see if it would fly......kinda like the ferrules marketed by gulyassy.....he was just the only person brave enough to try it with the materials he is using.......its not a new idea as i have seen cues in 1992 that used the phenolic tip/ferrule combo.......just someone that wants those that dont know any better to think he was the inventor.....i approached him to get some of them out of respect and he tried to rip me off with the price.......anyone that has access to the material and a lathe can make them there self......it is just a canvas based phenolic versus using a linen based........just goes to show how petty some cuemakers are.....they do the testing and when it is found to work they knew they were taking a chance in having someone use there idea......just how cuemakers are from what i have seen and have learned.......juston
 
You are right about Joey Gold being the first to use G-10 for joint screws as far as I know. But Guylassi was not the first to use canvas or phenolic for jump cues. The jump rods were the craze in the early 90's. They used that type of one piece ferrule/tip on them. They got outlawed along with phenolic tips and fell in to disuse for a few years. Mike decided to reintroduce the phenolic tip ferrule design, even though they were illegal on most leagues and tour events. But he stuck with it and eventually it got legalized along with the bungee in most places and now they are widely used. He just decided that just because some say it can't be used he was going to build them anyway. It was a bold move on his part and in the end it worked out. I really don't think he deserves a patent on it, as I built the one piece ferrule/tip long before he did and so did many others. But I do commend him for being bold enough to say, "it works, I am building it, whether leagues and tours allow them or not."
I was not as bold and quit building the jump rods once they were outlawed, but did continue putting phenolic tips on for people who just wanted a super break-jump tip to play their local rooms with. By the way the billiard encyclopedia says the one piece tip/ferrule goes back to the 1600's.
Chris
www.internationalcuemakers.com
www.cuesmith.com
 
i was really offended when he tried to charge me what he was asking for the tip ferrule comb.....i guess he thought i would just say well cause it is you i will do it.....and i remember using the jump rod in 92......i think he has it in his mind that because he made the bold move then all should bow to him and kiss his butt but he will find out it aint gonna happen.........the resources are out there for all of us and it is up to what we think will work as to what moves we make in the building of a cue to establish our names........i hope all is well in aragon ......juston coleman
 
cuewhiz189 said:
i was really offended when he tried to charge me what he was asking for the tip ferrule comb.....i guess he thought i would just say well cause it is you i will do it.....and i remember using the jump rod in 92......i think he has it in his mind that because he made the bold move then all should bow to him and kiss his butt but he will find out it aint gonna happen.........the resources are out there for all of us and it is up to what we think will work as to what moves we make in the building of a cue to establish our names........i hope all is well in aragon ......juston coleman
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Really, what is Mike G. gonna do??? Sue you???

Thanks,

Jon
 
BiG_JoN said:
Really, what is Mike G. gonna do??? Sue you???

Thanks,

Jon
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He's sending in Uma Thurman. :p
Eddie Prewitt made Eddie's 747 waaaay back. That had a canvas phenolic tip-ferrule but was outlawed.
Speaking of jerk cuemakers, one had the audacity to try to sell his pin for $30. Must be made of gold.
 
Joseph Cues said:
He's sending in Uma Thurman. :p
Eddie Prewitt made Eddie's 747 waaaay back. That had a canvas phenolic tip-ferrule but was outlawed.
Speaking of jerk cuemakers, one had the audacity to try to sell his pin for $30. Must be made of gold.
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He's sending her in??? In that case, I’ll get to making tip/ferrules and hock 'em on ebay, if that is the case... :D
A guy around here, made some J/B ferrules, out of linen phenolic, and with in a week, all of them had an awful "ting" to them, and were cracking lol... Then I let him in on the canvas lol... He said "oohhhhh" lol...

Who was this jerk? lol, he must have ate platinum and shit out the thing lol, you are paying for his anal anguish...

Thanks,

Jon
 
BiG_JoN said:
He's sending her in??? In that case, I’ll get to making tip/ferrules and hock 'em on ebay, if that is the case... :D
A guy around here, made some J/B ferrules, out of linen phenolic, and with in a week, all of them had an awful "ting" to them, and were cracking lol... Then I let him in on the canvas lol... He said "oohhhhh" lol...

Who was this jerk? lol, he must have ate platinum and shit out the thing lol, you are paying for his anal anguish...

Thanks,

Jon
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It must be really hard to grind 5/16 18 thread on those canvas phenolic ferrules. The fume and chips/dust are prolly toxic too. Hence the high cost. :rolleyes:
Or you can get em here.http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-b...p://store.yahoo.com/ecomplastics/nsearch.html
But, you'll get sued. Use Torlon instead. :D
Oh, the hypocrisy and double-standard of others. They get pissed off their products get knocked off while at the same time, they're using knock-off version of some other products on their cues. PM me if you wanna know details.
Cuemaker wannabe to a wannabe.
 
Joseph Cues said:
It must be really hard to grind 5/16 18 thread on those canvas phenolic ferrules. The fume and chips/dust are prolly toxic too. Hence the high cost. :rolleyes:
Or you can get em here.http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-b...p://store.yahoo.com/ecomplastics/nsearch.html
But, you'll get sued. Use Torlon instead. :D
Oh, the hypocrisy and double-standard of others. They get pissed off their products get knocked off while at the same time, they're using knock-off version of some other products on their cues. PM me if you wanna know details.
Cuemaker wannabe to a wannabe.
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Canvas is pretty strong, so it taps easy.
Yes, they are very toxic...
He didn't patent the material, just the use of the tip/ferrule as one piece. I've read the patent application...

Thanks,

Jon
 
I rally hate to get involved because you are all having a lot of fun with this but you should know that starting in September some A P A associations are banning it because of no leather. Which is the old standard. If you use your imagination you can have both with the same effect.
 
Michael Webb said:
I rally hate to get involved because you are all having a lot of fun with this but you should know that starting in September some A P A associations are banning it because of no leather. Which is the old standard. If you use your imagination you can have both with the same effect.
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Ahhhh Mike,
You tease us. Now tell us how?
Chris
 
WilleeCue said:
thin super glue on leather.
try it.
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Have you ever tried an elkmaster soaked in west system??? I don't know how the guy did it, he made the elkmaster softer lol, and loosened it somehow, and soaked it, it was leather, and hard as hell, i only got to break with it once or twice, so i don't know how it would hold up (epoxy cracking)... Maybe you should give it a try...

Thanks,

Jon
 
Non-leather tips.

I use those old-school Future tips,that came out in the early 90's. They were an early attempt at synthetic leather,and work VERY well. Not sure if the guy is still in business,but I have a stash,and am close friends with the owners childhood buddy,so more are probably just a phone call away. These tips are available in soft,medium,a different medium,and hard,being blue,green,brown,or black according to hardness. These black ones "bite" into the ball better than a phenolic would,but have not tried the Sledge as of yet. They do develop stress cracks if machined down too far and used,but if left thicker they will not ever come apart. They can be hard to glue,but the results are worth it. When machining,they produce a smell just like melting electrical tape,however,but cutting them down with a Willard's type cutter or one of those other pencil-sharpener types,it peels just like an apple,and is actually super dark green instead of true black. Is it hard to "squat" the cue ball with these phenolic tips? From what I've seen,the cue ball tends to run a lot more after the break,is this due to the phenolic/canvas being too hard to "pinch" the ball and impart a little backspin to the ball,or am I just watching the wrong people break with them? Tommy D.
 
Black Future tips are a good choice for those who want a hard tip for breaking and jumping but want more control on the cue ball. Buffalo well pressed would be next down the chain of hardness. The average player will let the cue ball fly where ever it desires after the break and jump with phenolic tips. But I have watched master players draw the ball a little both when breaking and jumping with them. So maybe you have been watching the wrong players if you want to see a phenolic tip work it's true magic, but bottom line is most tips we put on won't be for that high caliper of a player so give your customer some choices to help them use their own skills to their highest potential.
Chris
www.internationalcuemakers.com
www.cuesmith.com
 
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