Gus Szamboti's destroyed cue?

Mr. Bass Man

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Let me begin by saying that I love a good story and am infatuated with history and lore. This particular section of the biography of Gus Szamboti written in the 3rd edition blue book of pool cues has always fascinated me. The story of the broken cue is legendary as it's one that gives us a bit of insight into the integrity and expectations of the Greatest cuemaker of all time. I've always wondered what in the world could've been done in the construction of this cue that would've prompted him to destroy it?

The latter portion of the text discusses Gus using WICO of Chicago forearms for his first 10 to 12 cues with points and that in this time he also converted several Titlist cues which were the only full splice cues that he made. From the text one can conclude that if indeed the information is accurate that the cue that got destroyed would more than likely be either a WICO forearm cue or a Titlist conversion. When pondering the possibility of necessity to destroy a cue the likelihood of it being a Titlist is extremely low as any aspect of the construction could likely be amended with minor work, wheras the construction of the first WICO cue could've been entirely plausible as it was his first attempt at making an entire butt from a shortsplice mated to a maple handle with an ebony or rosewood butt sleeve. In favor of the latter, the WICO era of forearm was very short lived due to concerns with lamination issues as well as longevity, but the WICO rabbit hole is a story all its own. In concern to this topic, Gus knew something that nobody else in the world did, and that is "how he put that cue together" and he did not approve.

I purchased a broken cue years ago from a woman who had inherited it from her uncle in the Philadelphia area and ended up storing it for years as I didn't have money at the time to fix it. I wanted to get it done right as it appeared to be a very well made cue prior to it's destruction. From close inspection, it appeared that someone slammed the cue on their knee just at the wrap where it meets the forearm, breaking the glue seam to the tennon and separating the laminates on the WICO points. The wrap unwound a tiny bit and slipped into the gap making it impossible to get it back in position but a crude repair was attempted by someone unfamiliar with woodworking which may actually have been a good thing (basically putting wood glue in the gap and on the wrap) however as you could expect it did nothing to improve the status of the cue. I recently pulled the cue out and did some more thorough research to try and figure out what I was holding in my hands.

The cue: First off it's a bumperless ebony into rosewood 4 point WICO forearm with a maple handle and an ebony butt sleeve with synthetic mother of pearl rings. It had a Cortland #9 Irish linen wrap that was wrapped backwards and a collar that was offset with a white ring between phenolic. From what I've been able to find, some of these characteristics are found only on Gus' early WICO cues.


A member here Tikkler (I think) has a very similar cue that has inlays in the points and butt sleeve and if I'm not mistaken classic cues here had one that he sold at some point(could very well be the same cue). The only other example I've seen of this style cue was in the 3rd edition blue book of pool cues, and to be quite honest all 3 of these cues could be the same cue.

This is where the story gets interesting. I began to further investigate the cue and decided that no matter what the cue was going to need a new wrap as the glue had ruined the front 2 inches. There was a gap of about 3mm between the forearm and the butt which due to the wrap being the only thing holding the cue together, several threads of the wrap found themselves tightly bound in the gap which is fortunately where most of the glue stopped, thus not getting into the tenon gap. Considering the state of affairs, and knowing due to the damage incurred a refinish was unavoidable, I removed the wrap hoping to find a signature or something to help me further identify the cue. I only found a strand of neatly wrapped simonis under the wrap placed as though intentionally which I found very interesting.


After carefully removing the glue from the separated area I was able to freely slide the forearm off of the tenon. To my surprise and shock, the maple tenon came out of the forearm!!!


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This is the part where the beginning of this story comes back around. Gus obviously knew something was not acceptable in that particular cue and was determined to find it and destroy it, could this be the reason why? I do realize that nobody can truly answer this question and that much of this is merely speculation, however the plausibility of the subject based on the facts does merit some consideration.

I realize that some people may have chosen to leave the cue as it was to preserve the history and that oddly enough it may have actually diminished the financial value to fix it, but the cue is not and will never be for sale and I will pass on to my son. I have documented all of the details of the cue prior to repair for historical purposes and recently got the cue back in proper form. Here are some updated pics of this beautiful cue ready to hit some balls after a long broken slumber 😀 what do you guys think?

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Nice story and history and beautiful fix and restore. However, for the life of me I have never been able to figure out the fascination of these cues. I don’t understand the prices and in general see nothing exceptional about them. I feel the same way about Southwest. Which in my opinion is one the ugliest cues out there. I owned and played on for a while and sold it because it did absolutely nothing for me. So many better playing and better looking cues out there at a 10% of the price. I have never hit a Gus or a Barry for that matter but, I have been told they don’t play very well. So I just don’t get it but, I do appreciate your story.


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Do you understand why folks pay tens of thousands for a 57 Chevy? Why they pay a thousand or more for a very Early ping putter with a Scottsdale address in the putter head cavity? Why a Rolex Daytona Paul Neumann eta is so valuable - same with cues!

There are better performing cars, putters, etc. / a lot of it is rarity, history, innovation, name association. To name a few reasons
 
Bass Man, great story. I glad you got it fixed. It's amazing it came off the tenon like that.
Looks like tescarella did a brilliant job. I think you did the right thing.I'm surprised if that was the cue. He didn't distory it fully, it that was his intention. But anyway At least you can actually, use it now.
 
Thanks for the story and all the information, the restored cue looks great. Did you ever contact Barry and see what he had to say about the cue before it was restored?
 
Bass Man, great story. I glad you got it fixed. It's amazing it came off the tenon like that.
Looks like tescarella did a brilliant job. I think you did the right thing.I'm surprised if that was the cue. He didn't distory it fully, it that was his intention. But anyway At least you can actually, use it now.
Thank you, Tascarella did a phenomenal job repairing the cue and I had him cut a shaft to match the ringwork, really exceeded my expectations!
Thanks for the story and all the information, the restored cue looks great. Did you ever contact Barry and see what he had to say about the cue before it was restored?

You're welcome, I did contact Barry and he said it looks like one of his dad's cues 😀
 
Do you understand why folks pay tens of thousands for a 57 Chevy? Why they pay a thousand or more for a very Early ping putter with a Scottsdale address in the putter head cavity? Why a Rolex Daytona Paul Neumann eta is so valuable - same with cues!
They want it and they have the money. That's why they pay.

Since better options are available , why do they want it is a fair enough question.
 
Not the only cue Gus destroyed.
Back in the 80's I hung out in a Jersey room called The Ballroom in Toms River N.J.
The owner Tony Cattucci was close friends with Gus and he would come to the room from time to time.
Gus made a Rosewood cue for Tony's daughter Gina and when he put the finish on it the oil leaked out and ruined the finish,off to the band saw.
So he made another one and it came out just fine.
This Rosewood Gus cue has an Ivory insert in the butt cap with the name Gina in it.
I have no idea if Gina still has this cue or if it got sold.
So if you see a Szam with an Ivory insert with Gina in the butt cap now you know the rest of the story.
 
They want it and they have the money. That's why they pay.

Since better options are available , why do they want it is a fair enough question.
I gave the answer / rarity, history, innovation at the time of creation , association with famous people are just a few reasons, It is a great cue and a great story / he posed a bewilderment and I responded accordingly - nobody said that is was not a fair question!!
 
Nice story and history and beautiful fix and restore. However, for the life of me I have never been able to figure out the fascination of these cues. I don’t understand the prices and in general see nothing exceptional about them. I feel the same way about Southwest. Which in my opinion is one the ugliest cues out there. I owned and played on for a while and sold it because it did absolutely nothing for me. So many better playing and better looking cues out there at a 10% of the price. I have never hit a Gus or a Barry for that matter but, I have been told they don’t play very well. So I just don’t get it but, I do appreciate your story.


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I've never owned one but have hit balls with a half dozen or so and I found then to be extremely stiff,not to my liking.
I prefer a softer hitting cue.
 
I gave the answer / rarity, history, innovation at the time of creation , association with famous people are just a few reasons, It is a great cue and a great story / he posed a bewilderment and I responded accordingly - nobody said that is was not a fair question!!
Dig deeper.

Why do they want to possess these things?

I'm going with status. Prestige. Exclusivity.
 
Sometimes yes - but a lot of the times there are reasons that bring back memories , etc etc - collecting is mostly a passion - not everyone who collects cares about prestige, etc - and many people are not trying to show off - they have a genuine passion for the subject and or object obtained
 
The way I see it, if this cue was meant to be destroyed by Gus, the shaft would not have stayed with it.

I imagine he would have repurposed the shaft or built another cue with the same rings.

That said, it does have a fighting chance.

Hopefully, you get to the bottom of it.

Good luck.
 
Do you understand why folks pay tens of thousands for a 57 Chevy? Why they pay a thousand or more for a very Early ping putter with a Scottsdale address in the putter head cavity? Why a Rolex Daytona Paul Neumann eta is so valuable - same with cues!

There are better performing cars, putters, etc. / a lot of it is rarity, history, innovation, name association. To name a few reasons
I sorta understand it. I understand when objects have a beauty to them. The items you mention with the exception of the putter do have a beauty to them that makes them exceptional and garner attention because of that. However I would never buy a Ferrari and look at it in the garage and occasionally wipe it down with a diaper. These are functional items and functional items by design are meant to be used. If a car drives bad or if a watch keeps bad time then I will dispose of it out of my collection. Just as I have many cues I have owned in my collection. I have an eye for nice things. Just ask my wife. However I fail to see that beauty in any of the these cues. Just saying.
 
The way I see it, if this cue was meant to be destroyed by Gus, the shaft would not have stayed with it.

I imagine he would have repurposed the shaft or built another cue with the same rings.

That said, it does have a fighting chance.

Hopefully, you get to the bottom of it.

Good luck.
This is an interesting observation, and it merits discussion. My first question is how did the cue get out of Gus' possession as the story states that he took it home and destroyed it? Was a replacement cue offered in the transaction? Did Gus let the original owner keep the cue for sentimental value? These questions will never have a solid answer however it definitely makes you wonder. What I do know is that the original shaft as well as a replacement shaft came with the cue and neither of them is damaged, nor was there any significant dings or marks on the butt.
 
This is an interesting observation, and it merits discussion. My first question is how did the cue get out of Gus' possession as the story states that he took it home and destroyed it? Was a replacement cue offered in the transaction? Did Gus let the original owner keep the cue for sentimental value? These questions will never have a solid answer however it definitely makes you wonder. What I do know is that the original shaft as well as a replacement shaft came with the cue and neither of them is damaged, nor was there any significant dings or marks on the butt.
What kind of case, if any, was it in when you bought it?

If it was in a soft case, my guess is that it was damaged from improper storage by someone other than the original owner.
 
What kind of case, if any, was it in when you bought it?

If it was in a soft case, my guess is that it was damaged from improper storage by someone other than the original owner.
When I bought the cue it was in a Huebler style hard case. As I stated previously there were no dings or damage to the wood whatsoever and both shafts are intact. The way the forearm was damaged (laminates coming apart) in a radial fashion it would lead me to think that the impact was concussive and on a the exact spot that the cue had a weak point. Thus further indications that the person that broke the cue applied force to the place that only he knew was a vulnerability.
 
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Nice story and history and beautiful fix and restore. However, for the life of me I have never been able to figure out the fascination of these cues. I don’t understand the prices and in general see nothing exceptional about them. I feel the same way about Southwest. Which in my opinion is one the ugliest cues out there. I owned and played on for a while and sold it because it did absolutely nothing for me. So many better playing and better looking cues out there at a 10% of the price. I have never hit a Gus or a Barry for that matter but, I have been told they don’t play very well. So I just don’t get it but, I do appreciate your story.


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Very interesting story!! But I agree with you PowerStroke. Not knocking them but I could never get used to the hit of Szam's. For me it feels like the butt is too large in diameter and hits strange. I also can not understand why Richard Black was nominated to the International Cue Makers Association fairly recently in 2017 after, in my opinion a slew of lessor makers. It's interesting to me how different folks rank things.

 
When I bought the cue it was in a Huebler style hard case. As I stated previously there were no dings or damage to the wood whatsoever and both shafts are intact. The way the forearm was damaged (laminates coming apart) in a radial fashion it would lead me to think that the impact was concussive and on a the exact spot that the cue had a weak point. Thus further indications that the person that broke the cue applied force to the place that only he knew was a vulnerability.
I think there is no doudt is very early cue, reading the blue book again. It states he took it home, and distroyed it. If not then some how, you have something here, that shouldn't exist.
If you were going to try and snap a cue in two. That would be a good place, just before the wrap.
And the fact, that Barry said it looks like one of dad's. Says all you need to know.
Regardless, it's great to see it, put back together again. I'm not surprised, you wouldn't want to sell it. How many can say, thay found a Szamboti.
 
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