Handicap raised

mullyman

mullyman

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Well, I don't post in this section very often but I took up 3-C last June or so after 25 years of pocket billiards. Here in Japan they have a pretty strict handicap system. New players start at 8 pts. Meaning you need to make 8 points in 25 frames to win.

I started at 8 and moved up to 12 within a few months. I guess the experience with pocket helped. Anyway, in November I joined a doubles tournament and we won.

Right now, we're having a tournament in the room where I usually play. It's a round robin type thing and you play at your own pace. The tournament runs about a month or so. I just finished my last match, and it looks like I have a high possibility of winning this thing. I finished at 9 wins, 6 losses and 1 draw. When I finished my final match the owner of the room went over to the handicap board and moved my handicap up to 14 pts. Wooohoooo!! I'm moving up in the world of 3-C.
MULLY
 
Congratulations!! Always glad to see a new 3-Cushion player and very glad to see great improvement like yours.

I wonder if you could let us know how the handicapping system in Japan is run. Who sets each player's handicap and how is that done? Is there a formula that is used, and if so, what is it? Is it published locally, regionally, nationally? How reliable is it? How frequently is it updated? Etc. If you want you can PM me your response, or just post it here.

Thanks.
 
Well, I don't know if it's standardized or not but I can tell you what we do in our room......which seems like a pretty good system.

We have a computer with an Excel sheet made up to keep our game scores in whenever we play. Look, before I get too far, I'll probably be all over the place explaining this so if it gets out of hand just slap me around a bit.

Ok, Let's say, for example, that my handicap is 12. For me to win a game I have to make my 12 points within 25 innings. Games are set at 25 and we usually don't just play until someone gets their points. Ok, so I have to make 12 within 25 innings. Now, if one of the players doesn't get at least half of their handicap points by the 20th inning it's a draw and you both pay a dollar at the counter, honor system of course but that money adds up and you can make it back. Will explain that later.

Anyway, so that's the basics of the game. We have a computer set up with an Excel sheet to keep our scores in. We keep the date, innings, total points made, high run during that game, whether it was gambling or not, and who we played. The Excel sheet calculates your score and gives you an average. I don't know what the limits are for moving up a level but the guy told me that I had to have an average of at least .345 at 12 pts to move up to 14. I can ask him this evening what the averages for each level are. His handicap is 30pts and I his average fluctuates in the .800's and .900's. I was at .411 when he moved me up. He's been strict with me and not only does he look at my average he looks at how I'm playing and how I'm determining how to go about the shots.

I'm really sorry if this is unclear. I'm horrible at explaining things like this. I can send you the Excell sheet if you like. I'll translate everything over to English if you want it. Drop me a PM with your e-mail addy.
MULLY

P.S. You can make the money back in a number of ways.

1) Banking for the opening shot. If your cue ball stops dead against the rail you get 5 bucks.

2) Run half your average in 1 inning you get 10 bucks plus 5 bucks for each additional point that inning.

3) Have a game average of 1.0 or higher and you get 10 bucks. If I made 12 points in 12 innings I'd get 10dollars. I'd get an extra 5 bucks per inning under that too. So, if I made 12 pts in 7 innings I'd get an extra 25 bucks out of it.
 
mullyman said:
No worries, I'm just sorry that I'm not better at explaining things like this. I know in my head what I want to say but it never comes out that way. hehe!!
MULLY
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Mully:

Please keep up the info flow as the USBA needs to move in this direction.....speaking of the USBA if you are not a member I think you should join and help support billiards in America.

Dennis Dieckman
 
Dennis, I honestly wouldn't mind joining and supporting the USBA but looking over all the benefits it seems like I would get very few of them. Would I get my patch and sticker at least? What about the accu-stats DVD?
MULLY
I'm international
 
mullyman said:
Well, I don't post in this section very often but I took up 3-C last June or so after 25 years of pocket billiards. Here in Japan they have a pretty strict handicap system. New players start at 8 pts. Meaning you need to make 8 points in 25 frames to win.

I started at 8 and moved up to 12 within a few months. I guess the experience with pocket helped. Anyway, in November I joined a doubles tournament and we won.

Right now, we're having a tournament in the room where I usually play. It's a round robin type thing and you play at your own pace. The tournament runs about a month or so. I just finished my last match, and it looks like I have a high possibility of winning this thing. I finished at 9 wins, 6 losses and 1 draw. When I finished my final match the owner of the room went over to the handicap board and moved my handicap up to 14 pts. Wooohoooo!! I'm moving up in the world of 3-C.
MULLY
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So I'm confused :)

Can you both win if you both get more than your handicap in 25 innings?

~rc
 
sixpack said:
So I'm confused :)

Can you both win if you both get more than your handicap in 25 innings?

~rc
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Well, once you hit your handicap points the game is over. As for both winning, yes, it can happen. If the person with the white ball gets his points first then the yellow ball has one last chance. If yellow hits first, game over. So, when white gets his points you set the balls up for the opening "break" shot again this time with the yellow to the right.....or left if you go that way with your breaks. If he gets his needed remaining points it's a draw.

Also, in our league games we play to 40 innings instead of 25. 25 is for regular play.
MULLY
 
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