Happy Gilmore and Pool

People often draw parallels between pool and poker, and I believe that there are some similarities, but then they ask "how can poker be so popular and pool be so unpopular". I'm not a poker player myself, but I do have a theory about this. First off, it doesn't seem to be poker in general that's popular on tv, only hold 'em. I don't think televised 5-card draw would attract nearly the audience, for obvious reasons. This presents a problem in itself, because nine-ball is, in my mind, more akin to 5-card draw than hold 'em.

Hold 'em has all of these exciting twists & turns because of the gradual flipping of cards, and all of the different possible poker hands, not to mention the potential for bluffing. A game of nine-ball, on the other hand, is usually over long before the 9 is actually made, and very rarely has any sort of late-game drama. As a hand of hold 'em progresses, the the stakes climb dramatically, the tension rises, and I suspect that professional poker players would say that the difficulty increases as well. In contrast, 9-ball generally gets much easier as the game progresses, and any difficult, tension-filled shots will likely be shot early in the rack, often making the ending anticlimactic. Essentially, 9-ball has no river card.

In addition to this stuff, of course, is the fact that poker players play so many more hands that they can edit out all of the "boring" hands before it's taken to the screen. It's hard to cut much out when you're racing to 5 :rolleyes:

I don't have any answers, obviously, but it almost seems like we need a game that gets more difficult as it progresses instead of the other way around. There can't be many pool games like that, although some might argue that one-pocket is that way.

Aaron
 
Ball Breakers

I don't know how many people saw it, but the show Ball Breakers was good for the sport in my opinion.

They took 4 average people and gave them $5,000 a piece. They all took turns betting on each other, and side bets, etc. They were allowed to talk smack and try and rattle the other players. It wasn't for pro pool players, and it was great! The winner took home $20,000!

The problem with the show is that there was not much publicity about it, and the show was aired on the game show network!

If that show had been aired on NBC, ABC, or CBS I think a trend would have started in America. With all the hype on these other channels for reality tv I think it would have been great.

They mainly played 9 ball, but they had challenge games, like placing 16 black balls on the table and a shot clock to see how many balls a person could pocket in like 2 or 3 minutes.

The had variety, and made it exciting for people to see what was next. It made people watch it and say man I can do that! I could win the $20,000.

They also went around to pool halls in America recruiting people to play in Ball Breaker Tournaments. Although that never got aired like it was supposed to. (I guess the show didn't make it that far).

Ewa was one of the host on the show. It made me really sad to see that show didn't take off. It was very entertaining, and it made the sport look appealing to anyone, not just pool players.
 
Mark Cuban

I think I am going to take a trip up to Dallas and see if I can get a meeting with Mark Cuban! Maybe he would like to spend his money on supporting the pool world. After all he bought a basketball team and knew nothing about basketball!

MMMMMMM, wonder how I will get a hold of him?:rolleyes:
 
txplshrk said:
As someone already said in here, the more of a following we get the more quality places there will be to play.

Because the more of a following we get the more I get the chance to have a BCA or APA league in my town, and the bar leagues will quit being the mainstream pool leagues around here.

Because as someone already said, you won't have to be a detective to figure out where all the tournaments are to play in.

Because it would bring a whole new generation into the game and keep the quality of pool alive!

Because maybe just maybe there would be business professionals that leave work early on Friday to go play some pool instead of going to play golf!

Let me ask you this question. Would it be so bad if pool got popular? Or are you afraid it will change the sport you love so much that you won't want to play it anymore? Why would you be against pool becoming more popular and more well known?

I did a report on pool for my speech class a couple years ago, and you wouldn't believe the jaws dropping like they did when I told them the history behind pool.

Most people don't know it developed as a game for royalty. Most people don't know that it was derived from a lawn game similar to croquet.

Most people in my class didn't know there were 9 pool halls in my city, and every day there is a place to go play pool for free!

When I gave them all this useful information these college kids started showing up and playing pool. Some of them were good and some not so good, but at least it was something they enjoyed doing.

Besides what college kid do you know that has a lot of money to spend on a hobby? Anyone can play pool because you can use a house cue if needed. The only other hobby I see giving you equipment is bowling, but I have never been to a bowling alley where they let you play free from 12-7pm.

If pool became more popular it would be a good thing for all players around the globe.

I want pool to become more popular simply for the good it can do for the pool society.

Good post. I will do my best to respond.

First, at what cost comes this popularity? So far in this thread we've had suggestions of how to portray it in a more exciting way on TV, and in my opinion, they either won't work or - more problematically - they ruin the game. I don't want to legitimize sharking/loud booing/etc. There's enough of that already. (In the recent BCA tournament in Vegas, I had a problem in almost every one of my singles matches. Almost every one.)

So yes, something I fear in the game becoming more popular is legions of people attracted to a new sexy image of it, acting like loons on the tables next to me.

I don't think we lose potential players by not promoting it more, because it's actually a very popular game if you believe the "40 million play at least once a year" number. Of course, 99% of that is the casual player, but those who have a natural talent for the game are going to be drawn back to play more. So it seems that most people in some way are exposed to the game, and those who like it are going to come back. Those who don't or aren't very good, won't. Btw, I see lots of parents bring their young children in and show them the game. If the kids like it, we see them again.

I agree with all your points from the business side of pool. It will unquestionably be better for that side if the game becomes more popular.

So, in all truth, I'm just being selfish. I enjoy being part of a subculture, which is totally separate from the mainstream. I don't want to go out with my colleagues to play pool after work, because they don't understand the concept of not having a shot and therefore think you stink when they miss and leave you nothing ( :) ). And most of all, I don't want my poolroom full of people who think they are on trick shot magic or sudden death 7-ball, or worse, any of the new shows which would portray pool in an even more ludicrous manner.

I have a passion for the game and I enjoy being in a room with other people who share the same passion. Friday and Saturday nights become "date night" in most pool rooms, and those are definitely the nights that most players in my area try to avoid. If we turned Date Night into 7 days a week, I can only speak for myself, but I would definitely stop playing pool. It wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable.

- Steve
 
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The "Madden"-ing Issue of Pool and TV

txplshrk said:
... why we don't need John Madden near this sport.

Because he tells you stuff we already know! At least he makes us feel smarter, cause anybody is smarter than he is!....

Just because you know and understand the game doesn't mean everyone else does. How is anyone going to learn, unless someone teaches them? I never said Madden was a genius or that he was the best. I was suggesting someone with his energy and descriptive ability, so the person who DOESN'T know the game might learn and become interested.

I also never meant that the speaker should be heard by the players. We were talking about tv. How many of the players on the football field hear John Madden when he's commenting and drawing? We need an energetic teacher who loves the game and will bring excitement to the tv screen.

If the sport is going to become more widely appreciated, it needs to bring a little energy and excitement to the world. Not necessarily in the game itself, either. I agree with others that the players need the silence to concentrate.

At the same time, consider this... The average Joe doesn't play in a quiet, controlled atmosphere. Everyone knows that pool is generally played in a loud, roudy atmosphere, with people bumping by and making all kinds of racket. The tv viewer who doesn't know much about the game usually recognizes the different atmosphere and probably wonders how this quiet, controlled atmosphere got on their tv and could possibly be related to pool. Therefore, you get an attitude about how dumb the folks on tv must think they are, which is quickly followed by the tv changing channels.

I do agree with the comment about NBC, ABC, or CBS. We do not have cable tv, because we do not have time for it. There is no reason to throw money away for something we won't use. Putting pool on the stations that everyone has access to would make a huge difference.

Then, there's the age-old stigma to fight: Pool isn't just for the gambler at the local watering hole, anymore. Or, is it?
 
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