Has anybody seen this Mcdermott Cue before?

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sorbetboy

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Hey guys, I came across these cues while browsing the web. Apparently there are some Mcdermott cues which I couldn't find on the Mcdermott website, below are the photos. One of them I know is most likely a knockoff because of the united joint from Mezz, but I can't be sure. Has anybody tried them?

The one with the Mezz (not sure whether actual or similar) united joint and a WD800 shaft



The one that really I want to know if it's real. Apparently the joint is a radial pin with the mcdermott logo stamped on.



 
dnixon said:
all knockoffs
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Guessed as much, but other than the fact they're knockoffs, has anybody actually tried playing with these cues?

Don't get me wrong, but I don't really mind whether the cue is a knockoff, where it's made in, as long as it plays well or to it's value, I'm okay with it
 
sorbetboy said:
Guessed as much, but other than the fact they're knockoffs, has anybody actually tried playing with these cues?

Don't get me wrong, but I don't really mind whether the cue is a knockoff, where it's made in, as long as it plays well or to it's value, I'm okay with it
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To each their own but these people are flat out stealing from McDermott. I wouldn't ever support them or anyone else that's doing this for that matter. McDermott like a lot of other billiard manufactures have given quite a bit back to this sport, for that reason alone I wouldn't buy the knockoffs. The other main reason is that they are usually absolute CRAP.
 
Ever thought of telling McDermott about the seller? You could let them know you're interested in buying a McDermott and they may even reward you with a discount. :cool:
 
The last one may actually pass for a McD aside from the horrible shaft wood used, the fact that all the McDs I have seen with a large pin use a 3/8x10 pin and the logo looks a bit off as well. Design of the cue looks McDermott like.

Are these from the same ebay seller that likes to sell Joss II and Schon II cues?
 
Lucky and Star are knockoffs....

LOL...McDermott is selling their own knock offs with the Lucky and Star cues.

They'll never be a McDermott in my eyes.
 
Just to clear up any confusion; the cues pictured are not manufactured by us at McDermott Cue in Menomonee Falls, WI. These are counterfeit models produced in China.

If these models are being offered by a US seller we may be able to take action. Unfortunately, if they are being sold in China we can't stop them.

Please forward any seller information you may have for these products for further investigation.

If you even need authentication you may contact me directly.

Jayme Cernicka
McDermott Cue
jcernicka@mcdermottcue.com
262-345-6501
 
McDermottCue said:
Just to clear up any confusion; the cues pictured are not manufactured by us at McDermott Cue in Menomonee Falls, WI. These are counterfeit models produced in China.

If these models are being offered by a US seller we may be able to take action. Unfortunately, if they are being sold in China we can't stop them.

Please forward any seller information you may have for these products for further investigation.

If you even need authentication you may contact me directly.

Jayme Cernicka
McDermott Cue
jcernicka@mcdermottcue.com
262-345-6501
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It's too bad that US based companies can't defend against this. Just another reason for me to want to boycott Chinese products.
 
poolguy4u said:
LOL...McDermott is selling their own knock offs with the Lucky and Star cues.

They'll never be a McDermott in my eyes.
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That is kinda true hehe, but on the other hand, for the price they are well done. I bought a $45 Lucky cue at the CSI tournament in Vegas because I left my cues at home but had my shaft in my son's case. Pin was straight, had a decent feeling hit, although the wrap was pretty cheap feeling. I'm sure I can resell it to someone locally for what I paid for it.
 
Cdryden said:
It's too bad that US based companies can't defend against this. Just another reason for me to want to boycott Chinese products.
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Don't toss out the baby with the bathwater, if not fakes, there are several items I have that are very well built. The key is not to find the cheapest stuff on the planet, if the company paying for the item to be made specs out good quality materials and tooling, stuff from China can be good.

For example, the phone cases you get from Verizon are $20, yet look and feel identical to the stuff I get on eBay shipped from China for less than $5.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Don't toss out the baby with the bathwater, if not fakes, there are several items I have that are very well built. The key is not to find the cheapest stuff on the planet, if the company paying for the item to be made specs out good quality materials and tooling, stuff from China can be good.

For example, the phone cases you get from Verizon are $20, yet look and feel identical to the stuff I get on eBay shipped from China for less than $5.
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My problem isn't so much with companies in China that produce a viable stand alone product, it is with the countries unscrupulous business practices that only serve to line their pockets and cripple our industry.
Obviously China can make fine products, no argument there, but until the Chinese government puts a stop to this I will continue to try and avoid buying their countries products.
 
McDermottCue said:
Just to clear up any confusion; the cues pictured are not manufactured by us at McDermott Cue in Menomonee Falls, WI. These are counterfeit models produced in China.

If these models are being offered by a US seller we may be able to take action. Unfortunately, if they are being sold in China we can't stop them.

Please forward any seller information you may have for these products for further investigation.
If you even need authentication you may contact me directly.

Jayme Cernicka
McDermott Cue
jcernicka@mcdermottcue.com
262-345-6501
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reread Jayme's post
 
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With cues, you usually get what you pay for.
Knockoffs are cheap because they use junk material and sweatshop labor to make cues that may look the same on the outside, but are turned out as cheaply as possible for a quick profit. Look closely and you'll probably find that the butt is likely made of cheap, light balsa-like wood and cored and weighted with a giant bolt to simulate the weight of real wood. With no quality control, you have no idea what kind of chemicals could be in the finish or what was used to bleach the shafts to look nice and white.

Why anyone would want a knockoff McDermott when the real thing is already affordable and can be bought used for around the same price?
 
McDermottCue said:
Just to clear up any confusion; the cues pictured are not manufactured by us at McDermott Cue in Menomonee Falls, WI. These are counterfeit models produced in China.

If these models are being offered by a US seller we may be able to take action. Unfortunately, if they are being sold in China we can't stop them.

Please forward any seller information you may have for these products for further investigation.

If you even need authentication you may contact me directly.

Jayme Cernicka
McDermott Cue
jcernicka@mcdermottcue.com
262-345-6501
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Hi, thanks for the clarification! I actually found them on a Chinese ebay equivalent, here's the link. Well, they are in China so I suppose not much can be done, but it's all the info I got. My Chinese is only at a basic level, so I can't translate most of it, usually rely on Google translate haha
 
Technically a cue which has the brand name but not the design is not a knockoff. It's a counterfeit of sorts because the cue is being sold under someone else's brand.

If the design and brand is the same then it's a counterfeit.

Unfortunately McDermott, Joss, and Schon are among many brands that are being counterfeited in China by unscrupulous factories. Add Predator, Fury, SouthWest, Whitten and more.
 
victorl said:
With cues, you usually get what you pay for.
Knockoffs are cheap because they use junk material and sweatshop labor to make cues that may look the same on the outside, but are turned out as cheaply as possible for a quick profit. Look closely and you'll probably find that the butt is likely made of cheap, light balsa-like wood and cored and weighted with a giant bolt to simulate the weight of real wood. With no quality control, you have no idea what kind of chemicals could be in the finish or what was used to bleach the shafts to look nice and white.

Why anyone would want a knockoff McDermott when the real thing is already affordable and can be bought used for around the same price?
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While this is partially true, in cues some of these companies are turning out halfway decent cues. Many of these factories were started by employees of other larger factories and they do know how to build a decent cue.

Knockoffs and counterfeits are not always cheaper. Here in China they are sold at the same prices as the real thing in some pool rooms.

Look on TaoBao and you can find more Whitten cases for sale than Whitten has ever made. Many people buy these counterfeits with zero clue that they are not real.
 
Cdryden said:
My problem isn't so much with companies in China that produce a viable stand alone product, it is with the countries unscrupulous business practices that only serve to line their pockets and cripple our industry.
Obviously China can make fine products, no argument there, but until the Chinese government puts a stop to this I will continue to try and avoid buying their countries products.
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There is no possible way that "China" can put a stop to counterfeits and knockoffs. In the case of McDermott there is actually no protection available to them because they do not own the trademark for McDermott in China.

By the same token you could start a cue manufacturing company in the USA and use the brand name of a Chinese domestic brand and there would be nothing that brand could do to stop you.

And since designs on cues are not copyrightable anyway you could use all their designs as well.

It's helpful to understand that even today in the USA there are sweatshops which produce counterfeit goods. They are very underground but they exist. As long as you have a world where a brand has value then you will have people counterfeiting those brands.

Take a country with 1.5 billion people and 5000 years of culture that rewards deep relationships and corrupt power structures and you have a situation where the way things work on the street is far more than the government can possibly change. The only way to eradicate countereiting and brand "theft" would be to A. make every brand in the world registered with the United Nations and B. have a world police force that is tasked only with investigating and prosecuting infringers.

But understand that infringement of brands is a relatively low level crime in most countries. So even when millions of dollars are involved it's not really high priority for the police to protect the brands and profits of private industry. Add to that the fact that the counterfeiters pay the police and local governments more....

A person frankly would get more jail time for stealing your tv than if they stole your brand.
 
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