Helmstetter VIP question....??

garczar

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Did Richard make any of the VIP series cues himself? Or were all Helm's made by shop staff in Japan? There's a guy trying to sell a '92 VIP cue and he's sayin it was hand-made by RH himself. I always thought once he was involved with ADAM he no longer made them, just ran shop. Thanks
 
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Did Richard make any of the VIP series cues himself? Or were all Helm's made by shop staff in Japan? There's a guy trying to sell a '92 VIP cue and he's sayin it was hand-made by RH himself. I always thought once he was involved with ADAM he no longer made them, just ran shop. Thanks

I remember a cue repair guy in the early 90s telling me the cues with Helmstetter’s
name on them had value....I had three...he traded one of his cues for one.
 
I remember a cue repair guy in the early 90s telling me the cues with Helmstetter’s
name on them had value....I had three...he traded one of his cues for one.
That's all good but did RH himself make any??
 
That's all good but did RH himself make any??

The cue repair guy thought so....he has since become a well known cue maker...
...I just don’t want to give up his name....I’ll leave that up to him.
...I’d love to have an original Helmstetter carom cue...it’s how he started.
 
The cue repair guy thought so....he has since become a well known cue maker...
...I just don’t want to give up his name....I’ll leave that up to him.
...I’d love to have an original Helmstetter carom cue...it’s how he started.
Didn't he start by helping Gordon Hart make cues?
 
Didn't he start by helping Gordon Hart make cues?

Pretty sure that was right...his first carom cues came from his basement....
...could’ve bought one in ‘77...didn’t play much 3-c then.
 
Pretty sure that was right...his first carom cues came from his basement....
...could’ve bought one in ‘77...didn’t play much 3-c then.
Pretty sure the first 3c cues were made at the ADAM plant in Japan. Once he left for Japan he no longer had a shop stateside.
 
Pretty sure the first 3c cues were made at the ADAM plant in Japan. Once he left for Japan he no longer had a shop stateside.

The one I could’ve bought was very thick at the butt end...
...like a Rambo or a Hoppe...nothing that came from Adam looked like that.
 
The one I could’ve bought was very thick at the butt end...
...like a Rambo or a Hoppe...nothing that came from Adam looked like that.
I don't know about that. RH was in Japan until '86. Anything made in the 70's was made in Japan.
 
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In 1960 Richard Helmstetter made his first cue in a night school woodworking class. Shortly afterwards, Richard heard about a cuemaker named Rollie Welch, and soon he was on a bus to North Milwaukee. On Friday nights after his classes were over, Richard made shafts for Rollie in exchange for the use of Rollie´s lathe. Later in the weekend Richard could work on his own cues; he bought Brunswick one-piece cues, cut them in half, and put in a joint. It was at this time that Richard met Gordon Hart, who wanted to set up a cue shop in the basement of his new pool room in Stoughton, Wisconsin. A deal was struck: if Richard helped Gordon set up the shop, Richard would have a "permanent" part-time job there while he finished his degree at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
In 1965, Richard took an armload of cues to the annual Johnson City tournament and sold every one of them. It was in Johnson City that he heard about a fellow in Chicago building quality blanks. Soon Gordon and Richard were buying blanks from this man, Burton Spain, to use in their cues. After graduating from college in 1966, Richard moved to Washington, D.C. to start Helmstetter Cues. (Gordon Hart went on to establish Viking Cues.) His namesake company established Richard´s reputation as an accomplished craftsman. A year later Richard was offered the opportunity to set up a cuemaking facility for the National Tournament Chalk Company in Chicago. With the combined talents of Richard and other soon-to-be-important cuemakers, National was making high quality cues.
In 1968, Richard met Dave Forman, who was importing two lines of cues which he manufactured in Japan. Dave enlisted Richard to improve and expand his Japanese cuemaking facility. In October of 1969, Richard moved to Japan to begin this project. Richard bought new machinery for the facility and had kilns custom made for drying wood. Two years later, Adam Custom Cues was born, named after Dave Forman´s first grandson. The twelve models available in 1970 were entirely handmade. By 1973, 60 models were available. Now that Adam-Japan produces thousands of cues a year, the cues are built using state-of-the-art machinery. Adam is now using sixth generation equipment. Some early prototype cues are still handmade.
Richard started producing wood-screw billiard cues during the 1970s, which soon became popular with the world´s leading three-cushion billiards players. From the mid-1970s until the early 1990s, the Carl Conlon and CCS ("Carl Conlon Special") and Adam/CCS carom cues were sold in Europe. In 1976, Adam Custom Cues successfully introduced the John Spencer and Harry Harbottle ("HH") lines of snooker cues. Other lines manufactured by Adam over the past 30 years include Julio Stamboulini, Raymond Calvert, Bob Weir, Buffalo, By Helmstetter, Lisciotti, and the Superstar Signature Series-all of which are easily identifiable by visible logos and/or signatures, and are discontinued. "Bob Weir" cues were a private label Adam production cue made for a Texan by that name whose only brush with cuemaking was designing the "flying W" logo embossed on the cues. According to Richard, they were made for three to four years in the 1980s; fewer than 1000 cues were imported from Japan to Texas. Currently Adam-Japan manufactures three lines of cues: Adam, Helmstetter, and the George Balabushka series. The Balabushka cues are made by Adam under license from the Balabushka family in designs similar to what George himself might have made before he passed on in 1975. If your cue has "George Balabushka" on the forearm, it was made by Adam-Japan. These cues are now distributed by Competition Sports Corp.
Despite his status as a seminal figure in cuemaking, Richard Helmstetter is best known for his contributions to the golf world. He returned to live in the United States in 1986, when he joined Callaway Golf, where he is Senior Executive Vice President and Chief of New Products. Richard is the creator of the famed "Big Bertha" driver and Fairway Woods. He still continues to do cue design work for Adam-Japan. Richard´s world travels and product development contacts at Callaway have proven helpful to Adam, from sourcing woods to discovering new high-tech materials and machinery.
Collectors are becoming interested in many of the early Adam and Helmstetter cues, particularly those with wood screws. If you have an Adam cue that needs further identification or repair, contact Competition Sports, listed in the Trademark Index.
For more information, please refer to listings for Julio Stambolini Cues, and Bob Weir Cues.
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In 1960 Richard Helmstetter made his first cue in a night school woodworking class. Shortly afterwards, Richard heard about a cuemaker named Rollie Welch, and soon he was on a bus to North Milwaukee. On Friday nights after his classes were over, Richard made shafts for Rollie in exchange for the use of Rollie´s lathe. Later in the weekend Richard could work on his own cues; he bought Brunswick one-piece cues, cut them in half, and put in a joint. It was at this time that Richard met Gordon Hart, who wanted to set up a cue shop in the basement of his new pool room in Stoughton, Wisconsin. A deal was struck: if Richard helped Gordon set up the shop, Richard would have a "permanent" part-time job there while he finished his degree at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
In 1965, Richard took an armload of cues to the annual Johnson City tournament and sold every one of them. It was in Johnson City that he heard about a fellow in Chicago building quality blanks. Soon Gordon and Richard were buying blanks from this man, Burton Spain, to use in their cues. After graduating from college in 1966, Richard moved to Washington, D.C. to start Helmstetter Cues. (Gordon Hart went on to establish Viking Cues.) His namesake company established Richard´s reputation as an accomplished craftsman. A year later Richard was offered the opportunity to set up a cuemaking facility for the National Tournament Chalk Company in Chicago. With the combined talents of Richard and other soon-to-be-important cuemakers, National was making high quality cues.
In 1968, Richard met Dave Forman, who was importing two lines of cues which he manufactured in Japan. Dave enlisted Richard to improve and expand his Japanese cuemaking facility. In October of 1969, Richard moved to Japan to begin this project. Richard bought new machinery for the facility and had kilns custom made for drying wood. Two years later, Adam Custom Cues was born, named after Dave Forman´s first grandson. The twelve models available in 1970 were entirely handmade. By 1973, 60 models were available. Now that Adam-Japan produces thousands of cues a year, the cues are built using state-of-the-art machinery. Adam is now using sixth generation equipment. Some early prototype cues are still handmade.
Richard started producing wood-screw billiard cues during the 1970s, which soon became popular with the world´s leading three-cushion billiards players. From the mid-1970s until the early 1990s, the Carl Conlon and CCS ("Carl Conlon Special") and Adam/CCS carom cues were sold in Europe. In 1976, Adam Custom Cues successfully introduced the John Spencer and Harry Harbottle ("HH") lines of snooker cues. Other lines manufactured by Adam over the past 30 years include Julio Stamboulini, Raymond Calvert, Bob Weir, Buffalo, By Helmstetter, Lisciotti, and the Superstar Signature Series-all of which are easily identifiable by visible logos and/or signatures, and are discontinued. "Bob Weir" cues were a private label Adam production cue made for a Texan by that name whose only brush with cuemaking was designing the "flying W" logo embossed on the cues. According to Richard, they were made for three to four years in the 1980s; fewer than 1000 cues were imported from Japan to Texas. Currently Adam-Japan manufactures three lines of cues: Adam, Helmstetter, and the George Balabushka series. The Balabushka cues are made by Adam under license from the Balabushka family in designs similar to what George himself might have made before he passed on in 1975. If your cue has "George Balabushka" on the forearm, it was made by Adam-Japan. These cues are now distributed by Competition Sports Corp.
Despite his status as a seminal figure in cuemaking, Richard Helmstetter is best known for his contributions to the golf world. He returned to live in the United States in 1986, when he joined Callaway Golf, where he is Senior Executive Vice President and Chief of New Products. Richard is the creator of the famed "Big Bertha" driver and Fairway Woods. He still continues to do cue design work for Adam-Japan. Richard´s world travels and product development contacts at Callaway have proven helpful to Adam, from sourcing woods to discovering new high-tech materials and machinery.
Collectors are becoming interested in many of the early Adam and Helmstetter cues, particularly those with wood screws. If you have an Adam cue that needs further identification or repair, contact Competition Sports, listed in the Trademark Index.
For more information, please refer to listings for Julio Stambolini Cues, and Bob Weir Cues.
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Thanks. Still, did RH, while at ADAM, makes cues himself? I guess that question will remain un-answered.
 
Seems the cue I looked at in ‘77 was built in Hart’s basement.
By '77 RH was living in Japan. He didn't work with Gordon that late. He left Wisconsin around '66 and moved to DC. Then went to Chicago around '67 with National. Moved to Japan in '69-'70. Cues made in Hart's basement were made prior to '66.
 
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This is part of what is confusing. He lived in Japan from about late '69-early '70 until '86. What basement did he make cues in? Did he fly home and knock out a few cues then fly back? Kinda doubt it. Weird.

I had just started playing again in ‘77....drove Lansing MI just to watch a tournament.
....can’t remember the guy who told me about the cue....but he was an old timer...
....and I believed him.
 
I had just started playing again in ‘77....drove Lansing MI just to watch a tournament.
....can’t remember the guy who told me about the cue....but he was an old timer...
....and I believed him.
He was off by a few yrs. A friend has a Hart/RH cue and its pretty cool. Stiff and deflects like all get out but it has that old-school cool factor.
 
Did Richard make any of the VIP series cues himself? Or were all Helm's made by shop staff in Japan? There's a guy trying to sell a '92 VIP cue and he's sayin it was hand-made by RH himself. I always thought once he was involved with ADAM he no longer made them, just ran shop. Thanks

I believe somebody has been misled.

The VIP cues have a "signature", but if they were indeed hand made by Richard, why wouldn't this have been mentioned?

From 1992 sales brochure:

Important Cues for Important Players

The RCH-VIP Line by R. C. Helmstetter

As I begin my 4th decade of cue-making, I am very proud to present our first Series for the 1990s. The RCH-VIP cues. They probably are the very best we've ever made. All RCH-VIP cues are made with either our classic stainless steel joint fittings or with our modern, high-impact resin joint. All cues are fitted with our latest Cerocite™ ferrule and Tweeten LePro tips. We use no elephant ivory or other materials from endangered species.

For further information write or call: Adam Custom Cues, LTD.


There you go. Your question remains unanswered.
 
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I believe somebody has been misled.

The VIP cues have a "signature", but if they were indeed hand made by Richard, why wouldn't this have been mentioned?

From 1992 sales brochure:

Important Cues for Important Players

The RCH-VIP Line by R. C. Helmstetter

As I begin my 4th decade of cue-making, I am very proud to present our first Series for the 1990s. The RCH-VIP cues. They probably are the very best we've ever made. All RCH-VIP cues are made with either our classic stainless steel joint fittings or with our modern, high-impact resin joint. All cues are fitted with our latest Cerocite™ ferrule and Tweeten LePro tips. We use no elephant ivory or other materials from endangered species.

For further information write or call: Adam Custom Cues, LTD.


There you go. Your question remains unanswered.
I believe that he probably had more up-close oversight on the VIP's but he didn't actually have hands-on lathe time. They were nice cues. Best playing/looking Helm's imo.
 
Does Helmstetter come around the pool world any more?
My first BCA trade show was ‘89.....talked to Richard then or early ‘90s.
Very astute man...we talked golf but I neglected to tell him I like small headed drivers.
....got a Big Bertha but hardly ever use it...it’s a pie plate on the head of a pin to me...:eek:
 
Does Helmstetter come around the pool world any more?
My first BCA trade show was ‘89.....talked to Richard then or early ‘90s.
Very astute man...we talked golf but I neglected to tell him I like small headed drivers.
....got a Big Bertha but hardly ever use it...it’s a pie plate on the head of a pin to me...:eek:
You must not play much golf. Smallest you can get now is around 440cc. Its funny, the original BigBertha was 190cc. 3woods are bigger than that now. I don't think he has anything to do with pool anymore. He started consulting for Callaway around '86 and by mid 90's he was full time golf club guy.
 
You must not play much golf. Smallest you can get now is around 440cc. Its funny, the original BigBertha was 190cc. 3woods are bigger than that now. I don't think he has anything to do with pool anymore. He started consulting for Callaway around '86 and by mid 90's he was full time golf club guy.

An active golfer told me recently that they’re drifting back to smaller heads...
...I used to say...if you can’t hit the sweet spot, go home..
Bought a BB ‘cause who am I to argue with a PGA genius?
..when I was a kid...could drive some par fours with a two-wood....
...had trouble finding a driver with a head small enough...
..’course, I was beating up non-PGA courses...:o
 
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