help about using english

[westlife]

hello everyone my problem is when i use inside english or outside english i miss the shot but with no english i can make a shot can anyone guide me for this problem...i add a small amount of english in cue ball by the way i'm using a cue stick aiming.......

 

[Neil]

hello everyone my problem is when i use inside english or outside english i miss the shot but with no english i can make a shot can anyone guide me for this problem...i add a small amount of english in cue ball by the way i'm using a cue stick aiming.......

Any time you hit the cb off the center axis, the cb will squirt away from the side you hit, and then curve back towards the side you hit it. Each cue will squirt the cb a different amount, and how hard you hit and table and ball conditions determine how soon and how much the cb will curve back on line. While english is something one needs to learn and master, the best pool is played with a bare minimum of it. All you can really do is practice until you figure it out. There's no easy system for learning how much your cue will deflect and cause the cb to squirt that is practical in play.

 

[Pidge]

Any time you hit the cb off the center axis, the cb will squirt away from the side you hit, and then curve back towards the side you hit it. Each cue will squirt the cb a different amount, and how hard you hit and table and ball conditions determine how soon and how much the cb will curve back on line. While english is something one needs to learn and master, the best pool is played with a bare minimum of it. All you can really do is practice until you figure it out. There's no easy system for learning how much your cue will deflect and cause the cb to squirt that is practical in play.

What Neil said.

There are a few methods people like to use; Back Hand English - BHE, and Front Hand English - FHE, and even a combination of them both. Search the forums for them as there are countless posts and threads about them.

Personally I just offset my cue as I get down to the shot. From experience I know how much cue deflects the CB at any given tip placement and speed. I don't think about how much I'm offsetting the cue, I just do it. But if you are completely new to using english then in recommend doing this little test;

Set the CB on the foot spot for each shot,
Not parallel shift half a tip to one side and hit the CB medium speed down table and notice where it hit the short rail. If it missed the middle diamond by 3 inches then you need to compensate and offset your aim by 3 inches on a full table shot when using half a tip at medium speed. You need to do this for all kinds of speed and tip placements. Not only that, but you need to make a note where the CB is after 1,2 3, 4 diamonds of travel etc.

It takes work to do this. And a lot of time. But its the best way to accurately find how much squirt your cue produces.

 

[rubell]

Here is a set of articles on how it works. The articles you need are on squirt and throw.

http://www.billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/

The following article has a good picture on the page 3 illustrating what really happens with balls:

http://www.billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2007/aug07.pdf

You need to know that the trajectory of the object ball (which may not necessary be a straight line) depends on the following factors:

1. Direction of the cue ball
2. The contact point
3. The speed of the cue ball (how hard the stoke is made)
4. The spin of the cue ball
5. The angle of the cue towards the table (e.g. see instructions how masse shot is performed where the object ball trajectory is extremely curved)

and then

6. Table cloth
7. Cue
8. Balls material and condition
9. Did I forget anything?

So, the best way is to make some tests to see how it works. Make everything the same, like angle, speed, spin, see what happens. Then change the spin only. Where did the object ball go?

In the articles above all these effects are discussed in very detail. As of English, there are different types of English, like natural, reverse, etc. Adjustments are different for those, but you can figure out yourself, making experiments. You will have to train your brain to identify required adjustments.

The key to controlling these effects is stroke consistency and practice of course.

 

[(((Satori)))]

Nevermind my previous post before editing. I tried to remember the drill but when I took it to the table I discovered I was wrong in what I wrote.

 

[westlife]

thanks for the comments guys i try all your advice what is suite to me

 

[(((Satori)))]

Here is a set of articles on how it works. The articles you need are on squirt and throw.

http://www.billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/

The following article has a good picture on the page 3 illustrating what really happens with balls:

http://www.billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2007/aug07.pdf

You need to know that the trajectory of the object ball (which may not necessary be a straight line) depends on the following factors:

1. Direction of the cue ball
2. The contact point
3. The speed of the cue ball (how hard the stoke is made)
4. The spin of the cue ball
5. The angle of the cue towards the table (e.g. see instructions how masse shot is performed where the object ball trajectory is extremely curved)

and then

6. Table cloth
7. Cue
8. Balls material and condition
9. Did I forget anything?

So, the best way is to make some tests to see how it works. Make everything the same, like angle, speed, spin, see what happens. Then change the spin only. Where did the object ball go?

In the articles above all these effects are discussed in very detail. As of English, there are different types of English, like natural, reverse, etc. Adjustments are different for those, but you can figure out yourself, making experiments. You will have to train your brain to identify required adjustments.

The key to controlling these effects is stroke consistency and practice of course.

Nice post!

One more factor that you don't see written about much is the type of stroke used. It can and does play a roll in the way the balls react.

 

[Ralph Kramden]

Any time you hit the cb off the center axis, the cb will squirt away from the side you hit, and then curve back towards the side you hit it. Each cue will squirt the cb a different amount and how hard you hit and table and ball conditions determine how soon and how much the cb will curve back on line. While english is something one needs to learn and master, the best pool is played with a bare minimum of it. All you can really do is practice until you figure it out. There's no easy system for learning how much your cue will deflect and cause the cb to squirt that is practical in play.

The CB will only curve back on line if the cue hits downward on the CB.
The CB will just squirt if the cue is level. If the CB is hit with a jacked up
cue it curves back.. But it may curve well past the point of being on line.