Help identifying two Joss cues

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leto1776

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Before I begin,apologies for the crappy pics.I used a cheap point and shoot.my phone actually takes better pics,but still learning how to use it.

Both of these cues are ebay finds.On the left is what was advertised as a 1983 model.White butcap,no inlays on maple butt,natural points with three veneers,Joss label on ring below joint collar.White irish linen with green spec wrap.This cue was definitely someone's player,and shows it,but still plays nice.
On right,solid black (poosibly ebony) butt with three maple "tear drop" inlays.Gold Joss Logo that's common to black Joss butts.Black with white spec linen wrap.Bird's eye maple frearm with three black "tear drop" inlays that match the butt.Has some finish issues on the forearm

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The left I paid about $265 for,the right I got for less than $200.If anyone can identify the models,and maybe tell me if I got a good deal,would be appreciated.
 
I think you did just fine as long as they are straight etc.

The one with the points is a pretty cool cue actually, definitely the more "desirable" of the two.

I don't know the models off hand but if I get time later I will see if I can track them down. In the mean time it's not unlikely somebody else will know anyway.




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Thanks Chopdoc.I agree the cue with points is the cooler looking cue,but has a lot more play damage/worn -ness to it.actually a somewhat deep dent going across one of the veneers.still plays awesome,and both are straight,but with slight taper roll.The "tear drop" cue is probably the stiffest hitting cue I've ever shot with.
 
The pointed cue appears to be a Model 22. The colors are slightly different, but you could request that from Joss in those days. Interesting to see that the figuring of the maple appears to carry over into both inner pieces of maple. In that era, Joss started to pantograph their points. Also interesting that your cue does not have the date in the joint collar. In the AZB link below are a 1982 Joss and my 1985, both of which have the date. In the 1985 catalog, it says that all cues bore the date. Also, both cues have the Joss label on the shaft collars. Perhaps Joss was still experimenting with logo changes in 1983. In both my cue and possibly in the 1982, the ferrules were ivory. Other materials might have been available. So my question would be if your shaft is original Joss.

http://www.josscues.com/cue_archives/Archive/html/1985-brochure/22.html

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=312526&highlight=Joss

I do not have information on your other cue. Your comment about it being the stiffest cue you’ve played would be consistent with my cue. It took me years to appreciate the feel of it. I am glad I kept it until my style of play came up to the design of the cue. My Joss shafts are 13.20 mm and the butt is 1.26” at D and 1.32” at E, slightly thicker than my ’86 Szamboti.

If you like the cues and want to keep them, IMO, you got a good deal. You paid about the same for each cue that you would pay for an LD shaft.
 
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Thanks Sealegs,you're right,it does appear to be a Model 22 with different points.What are pantographs? Is it like a press on design,like on T-shirts?

Fore the other cue,I guess I'll have to email Joss Cues Ltd and see if they know,as I'm extremely curious.
 
leto1776 said:
Thanks Sealegs,you're right,it does appear to be a Model 22 with different points.What are pantographs? Is it like a press on design,like on T-shirts?

Fore the other cue,I guess I'll have to email Joss Cues Ltd and see if they know,as I'm extremely curious.
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No....they are inlays.

A pantograph is just a machine that can cut an inlay pocket and/or inlay by replicating the pattern from a template.

You probably have seen a simple on in a high school art class or someplace like that:
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A pantograph used for cues is more like this:
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JOSS has never made transfer cues, they have always used real inlays.





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