Help! Need a ruling on 14.1 straight pool

SomeDeadGuy

SomeDeadGuy

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In my 14.1 league two situations come up occasionally and no one seems to know the official tournament ruling on penalties. I need to know what would happen in a professional tournament per BCA or WPA rules.

Player racks
1. Accidentally moves or racks object ball
2. Accidentally moves cue ball

Opponent racks
1. Accidentally moves or racks object ball
2. Accidentally moves cue ball
 
SomeDeadGuy said:
In my 14.1 league two situations come up occasionally and no one seems to know the official tournament ruling on penalties. I need to know what would happen in a professional tournament per BCA or WPA rules.

Player racks
1. Accidentally moves or racks object ball
2. Accidentally moves cue ball

Opponent racks
1. Accidentally moves or racks object ball
2. Accidentally moves cue ball
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WPA 4.8 Special Racking Situations allows for replacement of the object ball if disturbed by accident

"the referee should mark the position of the ball to allow it to be accurately replaced if it is accidentally moved by the referee when racking"

There is no specific rule about the player doing this, but replacement is allowed so I think accidents are covered by this wording

It is considered Unsportsmanlike Conduct if moved on purpose

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SomeDeadGuy said:
In my 14.1 league two situations come up occasionally and no one seems to know the official tournament ruling on penalties. I need to know what would happen in a professional tournament per BCA or WPA rules.

Player racks
1. Accidentally moves or racks object ball
2. Accidentally moves cue ball

Opponent racks
1. Accidentally moves or racks object ball
2. Accidentally moves cue ball
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Do the players agree on where the balls should be originally?
 
Bob Jewett said:
If it was a foul to touch a ball in a tight racking situation, no one would rack. The racker is acting as the ref. The ref can't foul.
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This is the way I play all games. When the player or opponent is acting as referee he cannot commit a foul. Not sure what happens if players cannot agree on replacement position(s). The only time this happened we flipped to break tie.
 
I think it would be nice to have a couple of these when playing 14.1:

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Bob Jewett said:
Maybe I get an r/woooosh but what exactly is that for?
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You could put one over the cue ball and another one over the break ball. When I'm practicing, I occasionally sweep the break ball into the rack. I don't know how Bobby Chamberlain was able to rack 50 times and not do that once.

Of course, a player could still inadvertently bump the cube, and then you would have the same dilemma as the poster inquired about.
 
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SomeDeadGuy said:
Good answer! This sound legit. The only question is if they disagree on original position. I guess a coin flip would work.
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Much as in baseball, disagreeing with the ref’s decision is futile. In a ‘friendly’ game, your opponent (acting as referee) may often concede location if the shooter is really adamant. But, that is HIS decision, just as choice of opponent is YOURS (I would concede an unrefereed tournament rather than be forced to play a knowingly dishonest opponent).
 
Thanks but I’m only concerned with official tournament rules as would be applied in events such as the 14.1 US Open where you have no choice in opponent.
 
SomeDeadGuy said:
A desire to learn the exact ruling a referee would make in an event as the 14.1 US Open. I'm in a 14.1 league and we like to play by official rules.
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In official tournaments there is a ref to rack. In matches where there is no ref, the non-shooting player takes the duties of the referee. The referee cannot foul.

If a player acting as a referee unfairly and intentionally uses that authority to gain an advantage, it would be unsportsmanlike conduct. See the World Standardized Rules for the possible penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct. Whoever is in charge of the match will have to make the call of unsportsmanlike conduct.
 
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