hey dub, i think the race might be over

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lorider

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as some of you may or may not know, dub and i have been joking with each other on who may become an apa s/l 6 in 8 ball.

last night i had the kind of night us lesser players usually dream about. i play on 2 teams on tue nights. a money league team and also apa.

in an effort to keep this post short i will not go into detail about my money league match. it was a 4-4 race with me winning 4-0. now on to the match this post is about.

it was a 4-3 race. i won the lag.

rack 1. i made the 8 on the break
rack 2. i won in 1 inning. so 2 racks won in 1 inning.
rack 3. i broke and ran 6 ball, missing my last ball intentionaly because the 8 was in a cluster of my opponents balls. i made 3 more intentional misses until i broke out the 8 and won that rack. after 3 racks i won all of them in 5 total innings.
rack 4. i had a break and run. so i won 4 racks in 5 innings. 4 of those innings were the result of intentional misses until i got a clean shot at the 8 ball.

my captain said it was the best that she had ever seen me shoot. i reminded her it was the 2nd best. i was playing for her as a 4 when i won 3 racks in 3 innings and was raised to a 5 the next week.

i have a 72% win record this session in 8 ball. i will be amazed if i am not raised this week.
 
sounds like you were playing pretty well....but hearing about an APA player that seems HAPPY to get raised, well, that's just ODD!!! :confused: lol
 
thommy said:
some folks just like to win for the sake of winning:eek:

Whoulda thunk it?:grin:
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yep, and that's why some buddies and I jumped ship to ACS after going to team nationals in 07....we all were raised, before, during and after (returning); meaning we woulda had to bust up our team into 3 teams and find a buncha new 3s and 4s. :rolleyes: Improve, and no longer play with friends that ya started with....not cool. If the handicapping system works, why the 23 cap? Five 3s should be able to hang with five 7s if their system is what they claim it to be. :wink:
 
trustyrusty said:
sounds like you were playing pretty well....but hearing about an APA player that seems HAPPY to get raised, well, that's just ODD!!! :confused: lol
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actually i have mixed emotions. if i am raised it will put a serious hurtin on 2 of my teams, on my scoth doubles double jeapordy team , it wont matter, all my teamates are 3s lol.

after dealing with a few major setbacks in life i am trying to get back where i was before a i quit pool for a while. my only other league experience was a year in bcapl where i quickly rose to a 7 and now i sometimes feel embarrased about saying i am only an apa 5 right now.

when i have nights where my bum hand is not aching like a bad toothache and my legs are not killing and also not feeling my old age i see some semblance of my old playing days. my goal is to be a 7 if my body holds up.
 
trustyrusty said:
...If the handicapping system works, why the 23 cap? Five 3s should be able to hang with five 7s if their system is what they claim it to be. :wink:
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This is a ridiculous statement, but you already know that, particularly in 8 ball.

In 8 ball, there is no handicapping system that would be fair between a very high handicapped team and a very low handicapped team, which is the reason for the 23 rule. But as I said, you already know that.
 
lorider said:
actually i have mixed emotions. if i am raised it will put a serious hurtin on 2 of my teams, on my scoth doubles double jeapordy team , it wont matter, all my teamates are 3s lol.

after dealing with a few major setbacks in life i am trying to get back where i was before a i quit pool for a while. my only other league experience was a year in bcapl where i quickly rose to a 7 and now i sometimes feel embarrased about saying i am only an apa 5 right now.

when i have nights where my bum hand is not aching like a bad toothache and my legs are not killing and also not feeling my old age i see some semblance of my old playing days. my goal is to be a 7 if my body holds up.
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You may or may not go up based on this one win, it is very hard to say. In 9-ball I once beat someone 55 - 4 in 4 innings and had a 70% winning percentage as a 7 and did not go up to an 8.

One game is not weighted as heavily as you might think.

However, kudos on your great game. You played an awesome game and should be proud of it.
 
JDB said:
You may or may not go up based on this one win, it is very hard to say. In 9-ball I once beat someone 55 - 4 in 4 innings and had a 70% winning percentage as a 7 and did not go up to an 8.

One game is not weighted as heavily as you might think.

However, kudos on your great game. You played an awesome game and should be proud of it.
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55-4 in 4 innings ? you were shooting amazing ! my 9 ball games is off right now.

i know they take into consideration the info over your last 10 games or so. i was just thinking this game may push it over the top so to speak. the last time i had a match like this i was moved up.

actually i played conservative in my 3rd rack. an astute observer that was scorekeeping would have marked those 4 innings as safties, maybe the scorekeepers did. i did not ask.

in the 4th rack the thought of not running out crossed my mind but i quickly dismissed it because i am not a sandbagger.
 
Awesome night, lorider!

That one might push you up, but ya never know.

I'm 4/5 this session, but no wins like that, or even close. I don't think I'm even close to getting moved up yet. I ain't giving up yet, tho :p

Yes, there really are APA players interested in improving, and being proud of that. And understanding that it will make working the 23 rule more difficult, all the while. There are plenty of us out here, playing the right way. Instead of bellyaching and bit-ching and moaning, we're enjoying ourselves and trying to improve. Funny, huh? Funny how APA gets painted with that one broad brush, untrue as it may be.

Congrats, either way, lorider! The race may be over, but I'll keep chasing you. :)
 
lorider said:
55-4 in 4 innings ? you were shooting amazing ! my 9 ball games is off right now.

i know they take into consideration the info over your last 10 games or so. i was just thinking this game may push it over the top so to speak. the last time i had a match like this i was moved up.

actually i played conservative in my 3rd rack. an astute observer that was scorekeeping would have marked those 4 innings as safties, maybe the scorekeepers did. i did not ask.

in the 4th rack the thought of not running out crossed my mind but i quickly dismissed it because i am not a sandbagger.
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It was a combination of shooting well and also getting a couple of rolls.

I had two B&Rs and broke dry twice with no shot on the one. Got ball in hand and ran out those two racks as well.
 
trustyrusty said:
If the handicapping system works, why the 23 cap? Five 3s should be able to hang with five 7s if their system is what they claim it to be. :wink:
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The point of the handicapping system is to give a lower skill level player a chance against a higher skill level player, not to give them a 50% shot at winning. The APA's business model depends on players improving and moving up in rank so that teams exceed the handicap limit and have to split.
 
Matt said:
The point of the handicapping system is to give a lower skill level player a chance against a higher skill level player, not to give them a 50% shot at winning. The APA's business model depends on players improving and moving up in rank so that teams exceed the handicap limit and have to split.
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Like a pyramid scheme. You get too good and have to bring in 3 new lower level people to play with you so the APA gets more members. Brilliant business plan if you think about it...lol
 
justadub said:
Awesome night, lorider!

That one might push you up, but ya never know.

I'm 4/5 this session, but no wins like that, or even close. I don't think I'm even close to getting moved up yet. I ain't giving up yet, tho :p

Yes, there really are APA players interested in improving, and being proud of that. And understanding that it will make working the 23 rule more difficult, all the while. There are plenty of us out here, playing the right way. Instead of bellyaching and bit-ching and moaning, we're enjoying ourselves and trying to improve. Funny, huh? Funny how APA gets painted with that one broad brush, untrue as it may be.

Congrats, either way, lorider! The race may be over, but I'll keep chasing you. :)
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thanks dub. the results of that match should be posted by today or tomorrow, will let you know what i find .

keep working hard dub , you will get there. i got a few more years on my body than you do so i hope you make it to a 7 before you get too old to improve lol.
 
Lumocolor said:
Like a pyramid scheme. You get too good and have to bring in 3 new lower level people to play with you so the APA gets more members. Brilliant business plan if you think about it...lol
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it may seem strange to you and a lot of other people but i like the format in apa. the apa is geared towards bringing in new people to pool and i see nothing wrong with that.

the 23 rule is geared towards preventing loading up teams and dominating newer players, again i see nothing wrong with that.

i have said it before and say it now. we are only talking about a 2 point difference from other leagues. i just dont think the 23 rule is that big of an issue.

i think there are a lot of apa players who strive to be the best they can at pool. regardless of whether it breaks a team up or not. yea i like my teamates but i wanna beat the shit outa every opponent i face. if someone beats me i reflect on what happened during that match and learn from it. i cant wait to face them again and am determined to beat them next time or at least give them a tougher match than the last time.

my only league experience is i joined the bcapl in 2006 and became a 7 after 3 sessions. quit pool until 2 years ago when i joined the apa. was just a barbanger before joining bcapl.

i am 58 now and honestly feel that if i had not joined league play so late in life i would be a 7 now. one thing that has held me back from acheiving that goal was lack of defensive play. ihave started using defense more often lately and i have seen my game improve quite a bit.

believe me it was hard for this old barbanger to adjust to that:grin-square:
 
i checked the stats last night dub........ the unofficial race is officially still on.

i am really supprised i was not raised. i also cant believe how much my 8 ball game has improved recently. everything just seems to be clicking better. aiming, pattern selection and cueball position all have improved.

i played 8 ball in 2 divisions yesterday. in the 1st match i faced a 4 and won 4-0. nothing about the match really stands out.

2nd match i faced a 5 and won 4-0 in 8 innings with the last rack being a break and run.

i faced the same guy in 9 ball and it was a hard fought win for me. the guy played 10 safes on me and he only managed to get ball in hand twice.

thankfully my kicking game was working pretty good last night. for the most part my 9 ball game sucks this session.

keep working at your game dub, you will get there.

oh yeah, my focus is getting better also. right before i played my 8 ball game i found out we would have to forfiet the last 9 ball match . the captain fvcked up figuring the handicaps up and we would have been over 23.

instead of getting upset about it i laughed and just played my game. before i would have been upset and it would have thrown my game off. the co-captain had figured up what the line up needed to be and the captain had a brain fart and threw a 4 instead of a 3 when he was supposed to.
 
lorider said:
i checked the stats last night dub........ the unofficial race is officially still on.

i am really supprised i was not raised. i also cant believe how much my 8 ball game has improved recently. everything just seems to be clicking better. aiming, pattern selection and cueball position all have improved.

i played 8 ball in 2 divisions yesterday. in the 1st match i faced a 4 and won 4-0. nothing about the match really stands out.

2nd match i faced a 5 and won 4-0 in 8 innings with the last rack being a break and run.

i faced the same guy in 9 ball and it was a hard fought win for me. the guy played 10 safes on me and he only managed to get ball in hand twice.

thankfully my kicking game was working pretty good last night. for the most part my 9 ball game sucks this session.

keep working at your game dub, you will get there.

oh yeah, my focus is getting better also. right before i played my 8 ball game i found out we would have to forfiet the last 9 ball match . the captain fvcked up figuring the handicaps up and we would have been over 23.

instead of getting upset about it i laughed and just played my game. before i would have been upset and it would have thrown my game off. the co-captain had figured up what the line up needed to be and the captain had a brain fart and threw a 4 instead of a 3 when he was supposed to.
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If your 4th player hadnt broke yet then a team can still retract their player and throw up somebody else
 
Given the sound of your reports, I expect you'll get there before me. But ya never know, the game itself is funny enough, let alone accounting for handicapping.

That doesn't mean I'm throwing in the towel. I'm 4/5 this session (I think....my lo hasn't been as prompt on updating the website the last few weeks, grrr) and I seem to have a better feel for things lately.

I'm actually far more likely to get raised from SL4 to SL5 in 9-ball, since that's an easier jump, and I'm about 11 out the last 12 or so, over this session and last.

It's all good, and its all fun. Continued good shooting, lorider! For you, and for me, too!
 
Nice shooting.

May or may not effect your SL. One nights score factors in like 1/20th towards your cap.

The 23 cap , if it hasnt been said, is to force teams to break up and make more teams as people play longer and ultimately improve. It's a basic franchise growth strategy.
 
RRfireblade said:
Nice shooting.

May or may not effect your SL. One nights score factors in like 1/20th towards your cap.

The 23 cap , if it hasnt been said, is to force teams to break up and make more teams as people play longer and ultimately improve. It's a basic franchise growth strategy.
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The 23 rule does promote growth, and does insure that folks try to recruit new people to the league and to the game. And I don't see anything wrong with that, its not a secret that is sprung on people.

What it also accomplishes is to maintain some sort of balance, so that there is less to drive lesser skilled players away. If teams were allowed to stack up (and play) more higher level players, there will be a large group of people that just won't play anymore. These are the casual players, and those who aren't driven to improve. Many of those folks feel intimidated playing the better players. And the handicap difference doesn't matter, getting smoked by better players often enough will drive those types of players away.

The system works reasonably well, and its never gonna be geared towards the "better" players.
 
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