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Loun said:
Does this make sense since you seem to advocate searching, but then make your great information unsearchable?


I cant count how many times i've mentioned that I have only been playing for just about a year now. I respect a number of posters here including jude and blackjack because they respect the rest of us which it seems you VAP are incapable of doing. .
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the first statement just makes no sense at all.

as far as other posters.......they have their ways, i have mine........ they choose to be as polite as possible, i choose the tuff love way. if you can't handle what people have to say......put me on your ignore list.

i'm very respectful to most posters.......if you look back, you're the one that made the first smartass comment to me. i'm just merely pointing out how wrong most of your posts are.

bad info is one of the worst things a beginner can run into, and if i have to make you look like shit over and over and over to save someone from getting the wrong info......well its just gonna have to suck to be you. also, i never said anything about an elavated cue........you assumed thats what i was talking about, and again made an ass of yourself.

i consider myself to be at the beginning of the advanced player stage, and i will never give out advice that i'm not sure of. i will always point someone to another person who knows more than me. you don't even know enough to give the basic advice.


you just stated it right there, you're a true beginner.......so sit down, shut up, take notes, and learn how to play before you start giving advice on playing.

VAP
 
Loun said:
Edit*The post here on fundamentals - I dont mind being in the company of others who agree with me on the "wrong" way to grip Willie Masconi On Pocket Billiards From the page prior in the chapter entitled 2. Fundamentals... subchapter "Proper Grip on Cue" First you determine the balance point of the cue. You do this by laying the cue across your fingers until the weight of the butt end balances the weight of the shaft. (Fig 1) The balance is at the fulcrum point. Many Billiard experts advise gripping the cue at the balance point, but I recommend that the cue be gripped (turn page which is the page I posted the scan of. And I think your response was something to the effect that Willie didnt have to make position on any balls so he could play that way.

I dont consider my information wrong and again your reply to my post was "some shots are easier/and/or require your hand to be at the far end of the cue" wow BRILLIANT you mean there are exceptions to some "fundamentals".. There will always exceptions to everything but someone asking for fundamentals needs a solid place to start.
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1. mosconi was a straight pool player, he didn't move the cue very much.

2. mosconi's book has several things in it that have been proven wrong on many occassions. just because he could play, deosn't mean he knew how to explain it.


and show me 1 billiard expert who recomends gripping the cue at the balance point and i'll show you a complete dumbass.

VAP
 
A couple quick points. I never recommended gripping the cue at the balance point, that in my opinion is too far forward (i know the book mentions it but perhaps that is for "some shots" much like your post suggested that some shots require different grips but I dont know who or what he was talking about so there for I will not discuss that portion)

The statement I made about you advocating that a beginner should search for information yet the "good information" that you have to share you do not make it searchable to the beginner since it is via PMs instead of posts so my statement does infact make sense.

"i choose the tuff love way. if you can't handle what people have to say......put me on your ignore list. "
It has nothing to do with can or cannot handle what you have to say, its more just that you are an annoyance since all your posts are simply argumentative instead of constructive to anyone here. If I know how to ignore your on here I would however I imagine all that is going to do is make it so I cant see you telling me how wrong I am with everything so whats the point of that.

"i'm just merely pointing out how wrong most of your posts are"
no.. you are the only one being an ass.

"if i have to make you look like shit over and over and over to save someone from getting the wrong info......well its just gonna have to suck to be you."

Thats just it I think the only one that is looking bad is you for being an ass in all of your posts.

"i never said anything about an elavated cue........you assumed thats what i was talking about, and again made an ass of yourself."

I merely pointed out that having to elevate a cue in order to get desired movement on a cue ball is an obvious exception to a beginner fundamental of "shooting with a level stick". Much like if you are reachnig across a table and not using a bridge its unlikely that you will be able to grip the stick anywhere than the butt. These are acceptions to the basics, they are adjustments that have to be made. So no I havent made myself look like an ass with that statement but again... you did.

"you just stated it right there, you're a true beginner"

A "true beginner" in my opinion hasnt played almost 2000 hours of pool in the past year, is not competing and winning at an SL 5 level (in a league where sandbagging is rampant) I am the first to admit that I have a lot to learn however I did not just start playing last week. Who knows if I will get to an advanced level someday years down the road. I personally dont care if I do or not but I know that I can if I choose to put the time, effort, and practice into it. Thats not the point. My whole point has been and still is the following. If I had a problem with my game and I asked a question about how people make a shot. While reading the posts I would gladly accept advice, encouragement, or a shared experience from anyone whether they are just starting out in pool or if they are an expert. I would end up trying each piece of advice out until I found something that works for me. I wouldnt discount peoples ideas based on post count or total experience as someone at my own skill level or below (although you say there is noone below) might be good at what im not and might have something helpful to offer me.

"so sit down, shut up"
No thank you.

"take notes, and learn"
This is why I am here and what I have been doing.

Please stop wasting both of ours and everyone elses time, if you disagree with something I post then post your own actual thoughts on the topic instead of a measley YOU ARE WRONG and then dont back it up with anything for anyone to learn from. You may know a lot, you may have a ton to offer, you may even be a nice guy... but your lack of communication skills and ignorance of common courtesy and respect seems to be an issue.

-Lou
 
LastTwo said:
I agree 100%. People don't realize that alot of times the crap information they tell someone else can cause that person alot of pain and frustration years down the road. People who don't even know that much about the game are so quick to try and teach ...
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tap tap tap ...

This game is full of missinformation, and on the Internet nobody knows if you are a dog, resulting in a true double-whammy on the gullible ...

Dave
 
Loun said:
You may know a lot, you may have a ton to offer, you may even be a nice guy... but your lack of communication skills and ignorance of common courtesy and respect seems to be an issue.

-Lou
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how much communication is needed???? you're giving out bad and/or incomplete info........if i have to have communication skills for that, then i'd start looking into your comprehension capabilities.

i respect people who deserve it, so far, you have not shown that you do.

VAP
 
Loun said:
A "true beginner" in my opinion hasnt played almost 2000 hours of pool in the past year, is not competing and winning at an SL 5 level (in a league where sandbagging is rampant) I am the first to admit that I have a lot to learn however I did not just start playing last week. Who knows if I will get to an advanced level someday years down the road. I personally dont care if I do or not but I know that I can if I choose to put the time, effort, and practice into it. Thats not the point. My whole point has been and still is the following. If I had a problem with my game and I asked a question about how people make a shot. While reading the posts I would gladly accept advice, encouragement, or a shared experience from anyone whether they are just starting out in pool or if they are an expert. -Lou
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the point is not you ASKING.....you should do that. the point is you shouldn't be GIVING advice.

and yes you are still very much a beginner, after that many hours, i wouldn't be boasting and SL5.........no offense meant at all, but thats a D/C player in most places.......sounds like you should change what you practice for the next 2000 hours.

would you accept advice from a D/C player???? of course not, so you shouldn't be giving it.

VAP
 
DaveK said:
tap tap tap ...

This game is full of missinformation, and on the Internet nobody knows if you are a dog, resulting in a true double-whammy on the gullible ...

Dave
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this is why i make a point to point out the dogs on here......

thanks

VAP
 
well, VAP all i can say is that you should let people just say what they want to say.. and let people take advice from where they want to take it...

to be honest... Loun has been very nice in everything that he has posted and was respectful...
You on the other hand have not been respectful at all.. whether or not you know more about pool or have been playing longer than him, I know that I would rather converse and take some tips from someone that is welcoming and kind to all people on the forum whether they be new.. old.. unexperienced.. or omnipotent(like yourself) and they are nice to everyone else... cause it really just takes away from the forum when you have someone degrading others instead of just trying to help the OP out.. get what i'm sayin'???

its just pointless... takes away from the community.. you may not agree with something, you may not agree.. then say it respectfully.. or don't say it at all
 
vapoolplayer said:
the point is not you ASKING.....you should do that. the point is you shouldn't be GIVING advice.

and yes you are still very much a beginner, after that many hours, i wouldn't be boasting and SL5.........no offense meant at all, but thats a D/C player in most places.......sounds like you should change what you practice for the next 2000 hours.

would you accept advice from a D/C player???? of course not, so you shouldn't be giving it.

VAP
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And how, as a novice player, do I know that you are any better??? You invalidate yourself with your own post. Hadn't heard they had changed the name from AZbilliards.com to "godsofpool.com".

Between here and the cue makers forum, it is getting a little tired.
So much vitriol, so little time.

Not that my opinion matters....
 
olgoat said:
And how, as a novice player, do I know that you are any better??? ...
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you don't..........in fact, i suggest you listen to him over me.........it'll make my job easier and more lucrative in the long run :p

VAP
 
Hold the cue wherever is more comfortable for the type of shot. On shots where the cueball is close to the OB, I choke up on the cue and use a very short bridge, I do the same on shots that require touch. On most other shots I don't know exactly where I grip it, since it's all feel for me, but I know that I hold it towards the end of the wrap near the butt.

No offense Loun but holding the cue farther back is required on some shots and as long as you have a straight stroke with a good rythm it will not increase sideways movement. Sideways movement in the stroke is purely a flaw of your stroke/stance/grip. The cue really doesn't have anything to do with it. Some people have long arms and even though they hold the cue near the butt they still have a normal length bridge.
 
LastTwo said:
Hold the cue wherever is more comfortable for the type of shot. On shots where the cueball is close to the OB, I choke up on the cue and use a very short bridge, I do the same on shots that require touch. On most other shots I don't know exactly where I grip it, since it's all feel for me, but I know that I hold it towards the end of the wrap near the butt.

No offense Loun but holding the cue farther back is required on some shots and as long as you have a straight stroke with a good rythm it will not increase sideways movement. Sideways movement in the stroke is purely a flaw of your stroke/stance/grip. The cue really doesn't have anything to do with it. Some people have long arms and even though they hold the cue near the butt they still have a normal length bridge.
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If you actually read my posts you will notice that I agree that there are times when you need to choke up or hold the cue further toward the butt so you are not telling me or anyone else anything that I havent already said.

The point is, when you are trying to give someone the basic idea you dont throw out a ton of outlier situations that can occur, that will cause them to have to grip the stick in a different way as it will confuse them at that level.
 
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