High point 9ball, no break box, 3point rule, advice wanted

Flakeandrun

Flakeandrun

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Practicing for an upcoming event, new cloth, 4” tables, 3point rule.

Haven’t played high point with no box in a while. Usually, playing the CB off the side rail back to center table, taking the one, and usually the wing ball. Had to take a step back yesterday, and remember old cloth on the practice table. Got quite frustrated as the usual method wasn’t working the way I wanted.

Started moving toward a cut break, slightly wider than the MR box, a bit like Filler did at DC. This worked ok, but came up illegal more times than I’d like.

Should I stick to tried and tested, as new cloth will see me right? Or should I experiment more? What works for you guys?

Had some great insights when enquiring about 10ball on the 10ft, hope this can be equally as useful. Thanks all in advance!
 
Flakeandrun said:
Practicing for an upcoming event, new cloth, 4” tables, 3point rule.

Haven’t played high point with no box in a while. Usually, playing the CB off the side rail back to center table, taking the one, and usually the wing ball. Had to take a step back yesterday, and remember old cloth on the practice table. Got quite frustrated as the usual method wasn’t working the way I wanted.

Started moving toward a cut break, slightly wider than the MR box, a bit like Filler did at DC. This worked ok, but came up illegal more times than I’d like.

Should I stick to tried and tested, as new cloth will see me right? Or should I experiment more? What works for you guys?

Had some great insights when enquiring about 10ball on the 10ft, hope this can be equally as useful. Thanks all in advance!
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And what event would that be..?Let me guess, you wont tell...
 
9 on the spot?
Are you trying to make the one and are coming up short/ long?
Are you not getting into the rack the way you want after hitting the rail?
 
Flakeandrun said:
Quite special aren’t you 😂 hope someone gives you the hug you desperately need.
Tangzhen China Open.
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Brilliant, and who do we look forward to putting in a stellar performancve..?Certainly, you are a pro player with a name bestowed upon.

P.s.It does sound a bit peculiar to say you play ''in an event'' which upon asking you claim is the china open, one of the biggest tournaments currently...
 
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hello said:
Brilliant, and who do we look forward to putting in a stellar performancve..?Certainly, you are a pro player with a name bestowed upon.
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I'm nowhere near pro level.
hello said:
P.s.It does sound a bit peculiar to say you play ''in an event'' which upon asking you claim is the china open, one of the biggest tournaments currently...
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Sounds peculiar to be such a negative person, but you're quite consistent. Still pretty sure you are great fun to be around...
 
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couldnthinkof01 said:
9 on the spot?
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Yup, no break box though. Haven't played this format for almost a year, and the frustration is neither break that has been successful in the past is working so well now that I am back practicing this format.
couldnthinkof01 said:
Are you trying to make the one and are coming up short/ long?
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I put a bit of time in yesterday, if I am making the one when breaking from the side/rail, the ball is not pulling back into the rail and up to center table. I am hoping it's just this older cloth. When I target the one more head on and go for the wing ball with power, it is much harder to gauge than low point. Bringing the wing ball above the corner often. When adjusting the aiming point to get the wing, I find the cue ball running off the pack with almost no control, even when adding more screw to the cueball. Again, hoping to get on a table with new cloth later, and get more dialled in.
couldnthinkof01 said:
Are you not getting into the rack the way you want after hitting the rail?
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I am trying to go back to center table, rather than into the pack. Figure this more suitable given there is no box restriction and a 3point rule in place. So, I am trying not to Pull it more horizontally, like in Matchroom style, as It is much harder to satisfy the quota for a legal break. When breaking from slightly wide of the box the percentage of getting the balls where I want them is going up, but still less than acceptable with regard to satisfying the quota for a legal break.
 
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hello said:
Youre nowhere near pro level but play in the China open....riiiiiiiiight...
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Literally an "open" event... Is that another simple word with a definition you don't understand? I've played many pros, and high level players, doesn't mean I am one.
Instead of being a negative troll, you could spend the time learning to play yourself... Don't expect any reply from me again. Hope you get over whatever damaged you mentally (y)
 
Flakeandrun said:
Yup, no break box though. Haven't played this format for almost a year, and the frustration is neither break that has been successful in the past is working so well now that I am back practicing this format.

I put a bit of time in yesterday, if I am making the one when breaking from the side/rail, the ball is not pulling back into the rail and up to center table. I am hoping it's just this older cloth. When I target the one more head on and go for the wing ball with power, it is much harder to gauge than low point. Bringing the wing ball above the corner often. When adjusting the aiming point to get the wing, I find the cue ball running off the pack with almost no control, even when adding more screw to the cueball. Again, hoping to get on a table with new cloth later, and get more dialled in.

I am trying to go back to center table, rather than into the pack. Figure this more suitable given there is no box restriction and a 3point rule in place. So, I am trying not to Pull it more horizontally, like in Matchroom style, as It is much harder to satisfy the quota for a legal break. When breaking from slightly wide of the box the percentage of getting the balls where I want them is going up, but still less than acceptable with regard to satisfying the quota for a legal break.
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I would watch Jesus and Shane break from the recent Texas open. They seemed to be making 3 above or 1 down plus 2.
Bring a microfiber.. handheld vacuum and ball cleaner to the hall? Try to get the conditions as close as you can .
On new cloth I believe the fuller the better because of the slide. Old obviously farther out.
Sounds like you may be hitting it not as full as you hoped?
Have you videoed the break to try and figure how close the balls are coming to complete the 3 above the line rule?
Will the wing ball still go so you can get the one up table instead of making it in the side?
 
Flakeandrun said:
Practicing for an upcoming event, new cloth, 4” tables, 3point rule.

Haven’t played high point with no box in a while. Usually, playing the CB off the side rail back to center table, taking the one, and usually the wing ball. Had to take a step back yesterday, and remember old cloth on the practice table. Got quite frustrated as the usual method wasn’t working the way I wanted.

Started moving toward a cut break, slightly wider than the MR box, a bit like Filler did at DC. This worked ok, but came up illegal more times than I’d like.

Should I stick to tried and tested, as new cloth will see me right? Or should I experiment more? What works for you guys?

Had some great insights when enquiring about 10ball on the 10ft, hope this can be equally as useful. Thanks all in advance!
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Just to post something, the box break seems to be just that and it also seems to work better than unrestricted breaks so etc...

Why not just get that working and copy anything that works better?
 
Flakeandrun said:
Literally an "open" event... Is that another simple word with a definition you don't understand? I've played many pros, and high level players, doesn't mean I am one.
Instead of being a negative troll, you could spend the time learning to play yourself... Don't expect any reply from me again. Hope you get over whatever damaged you mentally (y)
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I understand what open means but you not being a pro player would waste your time there..?
 
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I understand what open means but you not being a pro player would waste your time there..?
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If you count experience as a waste of time, then to you it is a waste of time... Last year I won a couple games at least, be more than happy to win even one more. More about how I play, and how I feel. Also meeting people and enjoying the game.
 
couldnthinkof01 said:
I would watch Jesus and Shane break from the recent Texas open. They seemed to be making 3 above or 1 down plus 2.
Bring a microfiber.. handheld vacuum and ball cleaner to the hall? Try to get the conditions as close as you can .
On new cloth I believe the fuller the better because of the slide. Old obviously farther out.
Sounds like you may be hitting it not as full as you hoped?
Have you videoed the break to try and figure how close the balls are coming to complete the 3 above the line rule?
Will the wing ball still go so you can get the one up table instead of making it in the side?
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Yes, every table has a camera at this hall (which is pretty cool!), and I do spend a little time observing certain aspects. Thank you for the suggestions. I aim to spend a couple hours getting things right this evening.

For rail breaking, when I hit it fuller, I am not getting the results I am familiar with, and as I move the aiming point, I cannot get the balance right in the desired result. It's either position and no balls down, or balls and a loose cueball.

For the wider cut break, I can get the one, wing and center table cue ball, but occasionally I am not satisfying the legal break, as the balls stay clustered down table.
 
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straightline said:
Just to post something, the box break seems to be just that and it also seems to work better than unrestricted breaks so etc...

Why not just get that working and copy anything that works better?
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My break from the box is solid. It often does not satisfy the three point rule. Even moving the cueball wider. I will work a bit more on this later.
 
Flakeandrun said:
Quite special aren’t you 😂 hope someone gives you the hug you desperately need.
Tangzhen China Open.
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cool. throwing yourself into a gauntlet there. report with text and photos if possible. i enjoyed reading the last one.👍

doesn't china open have 100k first or something? filler won a lot last time he won. maybe he's won two in a row, don't remember
 
Flakeandrun said:
My break from the box is solid. It often does not satisfy the three point rule. Even moving the cueball wider. I will work a bit more on this later.
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Not a good breaker but stuff I do that works,

Smash side rail break down the side row
Hard cut break right across the top
Hard smash break from a foot off the first headrail diamond
See a pattern there? :ROFLMAO:

The good template breakers seem to make the 1 dead and the rest of the balls get banged off the bottom somehow. I think the finesse there is to time the bottom balls to go 2 rails to the other side where they collide more productively; more than what exactly I have no idea. Filler and Ko s 1, 2 come to mind. Come to think of it those might be MR rules. IDK...
 
skogstokig said:
cool. throwing yourself into a gauntlet there. report with text and photos if possible. i enjoyed reading the last one.👍
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I hope I have time to do so. I would love to do more reporting on the pool scene here. The halls, the equipment preferences, and of course the tournaments! Glad to hear it's interesting. The organization of the tournament is great, the format and how the tournaments is paced is incredibly tough. Last year, the viewing seats were a little awkward, felt very self-conscious that taking pictures might be off putting.
skogstokig said:
doesn't china open have 100k first or something? filler won a lot last time he won. maybe he's won two in a row, don't remember
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He's won it more than once I believe. Like everywhere else in the world, China seems to have a love/hate relationship with Filler haha

straightline said:
Not a good breaker but stuff I do that works,

Smash side rail break down the side row
Hard cut break right across the top
Hard smash break from a foot off the first headrail diamond
See a pattern there? :ROFLMAO:
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Going to do a little study, and then practice on the new cloth a little.
straightline said:
The good template breakers seem to make the 1 dead and the rest of the balls get banged off the bottom somehow. I think the finesse there is to time the bottom balls to go 2 rails to the other side where they collide more productively; more than what exactly I have no idea. Filler and Ko s 1, 2 come to mind. Come to think of it those might be MR rules. IDK...
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MR rules I feel pretty happy with, in fact, I am gutted that I am working all week and cannot compete in the Yuan8 open. I will just go and support my friends, and enjoy the vibe of a great event that is hosted by great people. Will try and get a few games in after 7:30pm when the tables open up each day. Made a little pocket money last year, but was happy with my conservative approach to matchups :)
 
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