Hinged arm sling for stroke training?

may not post to Canada
...cause they know we aren’t going for that malarkey

You need to develop a relationship with you CUE...if you control the cue....
...your arm will be just fine
 
pt109 said:
may not post to Canada
...cause they know we aren’t going for that malarkey

You need to develop a relationship with you CUE...if you control the cue....
...your arm will be just fine
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its not being sold as a billiard accessory, but I agree with you, I don't see any value in it.
 
I watched a youtube video where s snooker coach in England was having his students use them to create the proper stroke position for the arm, are they worth a darn who knows.
 
no it wasn't either one of those, it is hinged, and the guy I saw was an older brit fellow teaching snooker and not billiards, but I don't recall who it was!
 
Thirty plus years ago, I had the good luck to befriend a hustler that helped me improve my game in basically all areas.

One of his first pieces of instruction was to take an empty beer bottle and place it against the rail just past the side pocket and tell me to stroke so that the cue tip entered the bottle and came within an inch of the bottom of the bottle. When I was able to do that without touching any part of the bottle 100 times in a row, he told me that I was finally ready to learn how to play pool.

IMO, still one of the best/fastest/easiest ways to learn stroke mechanics.
 
megatron69 said:
...take an empty beer bottle and place it against the rail just past the side pocket and tell me to stroke so that the cue tip entered the bottle and came within an inch of the bottom of the bottle.
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The (potential) problem with this is that you have to drop your elbow in order to keep the tip that level throughout your stroke. Many successful players do that (especially snooker players), so it's not a definite no-no, but the technique that gets the most recommendations is the "pendulum" stroke, with the elbow fixed.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
The (potential) problem with this is that you have to drop your elbow in order to keep the tip that level throughout your stroke. Many successful players do that (especially snooker players), so it's not a definite no-no, but the technique that gets the most recommendations is the "pendulum" stroke, with the elbow fixed.

pj
chgo
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Not to argue with you, but I don't have to drop my elbow for this drill. I had video proof at one time, before my computer took a crap about ten years ago, or I'd post it. Former pro Roger Long was my most recent instructor, and he took the video. And he never mentioned to me that I was dropping my elbow during any stroke. My problem was that I could get sloppy with my follow-through at times.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
The (potential) problem with this is that you have to drop your elbow in order to keep the tip that level throughout your stroke. Many successful players do that (especially snooker players), so it's not a definite no-no, but the technique that gets the most recommendations is the "pendulum" stroke, with the elbow fixed.

pj
chgo
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megatron69 said:
Not to argue with you, but I don't have to drop my elbow for this drill. I had video proof at one time, before my computer took a crap about ten years ago, or I'd post it. Former pro Roger Long was my most recent instructor, and he took the video. And he never mentioned to me that I was dropping my elbow during any stroke. My problem was that I could get sloppy with my follow-through at times.
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So what is wrong with dropping your elbow?
Biado does it most of the time...O’Sullivan does it any time he feels like it.
 
pt109 said:
So what is wrong with dropping your elbow?
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Just more moving parts in a very exacting movement. It can be done successfully (as I said), but it's harder and unnecessary.

pj <- talking only about dropping before tip/ball contact
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Just more moving parts in a very exacting movement. It can be done successfully (as I said), but it's harder and unnecessary.

pj <- talking only about dropping before tip/ball contact
chgo
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To me, Patrick, not dropping the elbow is like playing on a table with the walls too close....
...it feels constricted.
Saw an old tape where I played pretty good...on all dead ball shots, elbow didn’t drop....
...any time I hit above center, the elbow dropped...’cause otherwise, the tip is encouraged
to dip into the cue ball, so you’re taking off what you’re putting on...
...somewhat like opposing muscles.
 
pt109 said:
To me, Patrick, not dropping the elbow is like playing on a table with the walls too close....
...it feels constricted.
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Yeah, I've had to struggle with that feeling too - but it can be beat. Now "robotic" feels best to me.

...any time I hit above center, the elbow dropped...’cause otherwise, the tip is encouraged
to dip into the cue ball, so you’re taking off what you’re putting on...
...somewhat like opposing muscles.
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I think that only actually happens if you set up with your tip too far from the CB at address.

Anyway, sounds like you've got the elbow drop working, so it's good for you. I think beginners should try the fixed elbow first and "advance" to dropping it if that's what works best for them.

pj
chgo
 
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