How do you apply sidespin?
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BHE or Back Hand English, is very, very rarely considered necessary. At least for non-trick shots. An ample amount of sidespin can be produced by a good stroke and follow through.
I am not saying that BHE is never beneficial, however, like most advanced techniques, it is rarely executed properly and should not be taught to beginners.
I am not saying that BHE is never beneficial, however, like most advanced techniques, it is rarely executed properly and should not be taught to beginners.
I voted for parallel english, or at least, this is what I believe to be doing.
Man, … I don’t like reading these questions before having to play. Kinda screws with my weak mind.
Rick
Man, … I don’t like reading these questions before having to play. Kinda screws with my weak mind.
Rick
Parallel. Just think about how much you can juice up a ball with a slow smooth follow through without hitting it hard at all...can you even get those results with the other methods?
None of the above.JMW said:
"Parallel to the vertical axis of the cue ball" seems to mean straight up and down like a masse shot. Did you really mean the following?
When I'm using side spin, I bring the stick down along the line it needs to be on considering squirt, swerve and throw in order to make the shot. All of that is determined by feel. Then I try to bring the stick straight back and straight through. No backhand, no aim-and-pivot, no left-right-center. Start the stick as close as possible to the line it has to be on for the shot, and stroke straight.
Whatever feels right at the time I guess. I never heard of backhand english untill recently but I guess I do it now and then. Is it basically applying english at an angle like this-> O rather than this-> O
EDIT: the damn diagram didnt turn out right
EDIT: the damn diagram didnt turn out right
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see if that looks right
EDIT: Closer. What the hell is the deal man? It looks right before I hit submit and then it spaces the letters differently once I hit submit.
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see if that looks right
EDIT: Closer. What the hell is the deal man? It looks right before I hit submit and then it spaces the letters differently once I hit submit.
belmicah said:
Im not feeling the pressure of the deadline honestly. In fact I feel ahead of it so it stays "deadline"
What to see something funny?
Walk around the pool room and stand behind the better players and watch how they line up and stroke theirs shots.
Kinda like fingerprints, no two are the same.
I use parallel to the shot line in my mind's eye, but I've had comments from other players saying they're surprised I even make contact with the cue ball.
Walk around the pool room and stand behind the better players and watch how they line up and stroke theirs shots.
Kinda like fingerprints, no two are the same.
I use parallel to the shot line in my mind's eye, but I've had comments from other players saying they're surprised I even make contact with the cue ball.
But geometrically, if something is parallel to a vertical line, it too is vertical. Perhaps you mean that the stick is parallel to a line joining the contact points on the cue ball and object ball, or parallel to a line joining the center of the cue ball and the center of the ghost ball. But technically, I'm pretty sure no one puts the cue stick parallel to any vertical line.JMW said:
Parallel lines can be said to point in the same direction. One thing about two parallel lines is that there is always a plane (perfectly flat imaginary surface) that contains them both. And, they don't ever meet.
Or perhaps this:
Do you apply sidespin using parallel english? (Lining up your stick to the left or right of a center ball stroke and then stroking down that line to make the shot.)
Do you apply top sidespin using parallel english? (Lining up your stick to the left or right of a high center ball stroke and then stroking down that line to make the shot.)
Do you apply low sidespin using parallel english? (Lining up your stick to the left or right of a low center ball stroke and then stroking down that line to make the shot.)
Since I couldn't put all of this in a poll, I was trying to combine high center, center and low center it by saying vertical axis of the cue ball. By vertical axis, I mean a central line that bisects a two-dimensional body or figure. I consider the cue ball two dimensional (height and width only visible) from a shooting stance.
Do you apply sidespin using parallel english? (Lining up your stick to the left or right of a center ball stroke and then stroking down that line to make the shot.)
Do you apply top sidespin using parallel english? (Lining up your stick to the left or right of a high center ball stroke and then stroking down that line to make the shot.)
Do you apply low sidespin using parallel english? (Lining up your stick to the left or right of a low center ball stroke and then stroking down that line to make the shot.)
Since I couldn't put all of this in a poll, I was trying to combine high center, center and low center it by saying vertical axis of the cue ball. By vertical axis, I mean a central line that bisects a two-dimensional body or figure. I consider the cue ball two dimensional (height and width only visible) from a shooting stance.
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I think that wording is clear.JMW said:
But then I'm still left without a choice that fits. I think you need to add:
Angled english? (choose a compensated angle for the cue stick from experience without any pivotting or swerving)
I don't pivot or swerve to get side spin, and my line is rarely parallel to the no-english line. My line may be to either side of parallel depending on the distance and speed and elevation and amount of side and cloth condition.
parallel
I've used both methods and gone back and forth twice. Burt kinnister has a deflection dvd where he shows that it is a "revelation" if he aims straight like he normally would and then diverts the cue tip to the right or left at the last second to avoid all deflection. I got good at doing that but when you really need to juice a ball making a last second twist seems unpredictable and not as easy to plan a half tip of english or a full tip.
Now I have a second gen predator 314 shaft and I'm back to using parallel with great effectiveness.
Burt made that dvd a while ago so I don't know if he's still teaching that method.
Great question!
I've used both methods and gone back and forth twice. Burt kinnister has a deflection dvd where he shows that it is a "revelation" if he aims straight like he normally would and then diverts the cue tip to the right or left at the last second to avoid all deflection. I got good at doing that but when you really need to juice a ball making a last second twist seems unpredictable and not as easy to plan a half tip of english or a full tip.
Now I have a second gen predator 314 shaft and I'm back to using parallel with great effectiveness.
Burt made that dvd a while ago so I don't know if he's still teaching that method.
Great question!