How good would you need to be?

shoutout33

"The Emperor"
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Hey all! I visited my local pool hall yesterday and had a chance to speak with the owner. I asked him if he ever had any "traveling players" come through every now and then. Of course he said yes, but he used the term hustlers/sharks/gamblers to represent these people. Now I, in my own way, was trying to be "politically correct" concerning gentleman who do gamble. He just came straight out with it! LOL!

He explained that he did a lot of traveling himself when he played too. I asked him if he ever played professionally, he said that he didn't need too. Someone was always going to try and play you. He explained the importance of practicing by yourself before actually going out to play. (Note: He said the pros do this all the time...) Said that a game that'd be good to learn is 6-ball. Huh??? He explained that it would help you learn how to run balls. It's the same concept as 9-ball, but less balls...no biggie.

One thing I have learned to do with those who do gamble is respect them for who they are. I mean, I told him where I learned about one-pocket and nine ball in Mobile, AL at a place called the Neon Palace. From what I understand, it's been closed for a while now, but the owner name was Nick "The Greek" (can't remember his last name...), and he passed away a while ago, but I remember him actully taking the time to explain the game to me even when there was a big crowd around his "reserved" table. :p

He said he heard of Nick and that he remembered him being a good player. Now, in a way, I was suprised that he knew who I was talking about, but at the same time, I really wasn't. There is a well known black pool player in my area by the name of "Jackie Robinson". I don't remember his real name because everyone knows him by this name. From what I understand, he got the name because he favord the great baseball player back in the day. I understand that he's internationally known and has played professionally himself. Awesome 9-ball player and a great one-pocket player too.

Anywho, I guess I'm wondering how good are these guys...I mean really? How many cats out there could actually go pro and cause havoc among those cats who are on the tour. Yeah, I know that a lot of the tour player did and still do some hustling even while they are still on the tour. (Seen Parcia, Sambajon, "Ginky", and New York Frankie with my own eyes playing on the money tables at Valley Forge...) I know that this is nothing new, but I'm wondering, "Damn. How good do you have to be traveling player?"

I'm not asking this to say that I want to actually try it, because I really don't like gambling and if some players would want to play me based on paying for time if I lost, I could do that. Of course, I'm not saying I probably wouldn't try it either, I just remember having bad experiences gambling for $5 let alone wanting to set down $50 or $500!

Now, from what I've heard and seen in some cases, there are some cats out there that gamble like "gentlemen". Not trying to hustle anyone, just want a challenge and to do it, I guess, in the right way. (If I'm wrong for saying it that way, I apologize ahead of time...) Straight up, no tricks or anything like that, if we're on or about the same level of play, we go at it and may the best man win! I mean, I like to be competitive and I'd love to get good enough to compete on a high APA, BCA, and/or TAP level. That way you don't have to worry about whose shooting like a what. :p

I LOVE the game of pool and I guess I'm more fascinated by the whole nostalgia and mystery if you will of the travelling player. I know it's not a glamorous life and even if I tried it, it'd be a part time gig because I'm going to keep my 9-5...period! I guess I just like people that are real and some of these guys, depending on who you associate with (especially some of the older cats...) are some of the most down to earth people you are ever going to meet. Much respect to any and all pool players who have hustled like a gentleman in this game.

Daris L. Cotton

In rememberance of Chris Cass... :cool:
 
Good enough to make AT LEAST $200-$250/day just to break even. There are always "no named" players everywhere you go that will give you very stiff action.
 
"Being Good" - is not good enough!

DARIS - Back in the "60's, 70's & '80's - To "Make It" ($50K, after expenses) "On The Road", meant (IMO), Being smart and deceptive - Than about just being good.
There were Many, Many good players "On The Road" back then that slept many nights in their cars and stiffed motels to get by.
I learned very early that the "Pool Con" was much more lucrative than the Pool Playing.
Daris - Your last sentence -
"Much respect to any and all pool players who have hustled like a gentleman in this game". Is a contradiction in terms - (IMO)
To Hustle IS to deceive, either by stalling to win the most possible OR to bring out the Larceny of the "Mark".
I would guess that only 30% of my earnings in pool came from "Gunfights" with other good players. I "PLAYED" many good players but most of them had No Idea, they were playing a "Pool Player". They let their ego and larceny dictate their fate - instead of what they were seeing Right In Front Of Them.
Remember - "You can't cheat an Honest Man" - Well, I wore out 3 Cadillac’s & 2 Continentals trying to find one - & I'm still looking!

TY & GL
 
Ok...I see what you're saying, and I thank you for your input and correcting my ignorance on the subject. Like I said in my post O.H.B., I know that it's NOT a fairy tale life, but some of the stories I've heard are just simply amazing, good or bad. I'm sure you have some war stories yourself. ;)

I guess I just wanted to say that understand that folks did what they had to do. I mean, when I was in Mobile, I remember two guys that were, if you will, understudies of Nick when it came to one-pocket. One guy's name I do remember is Stan. Saw him play a lot of 9-ball and some one-pocket here and there, but I knew he was getting tips from Nick about one-pocket. He was a really cool guy too.

One thing that is interesting to me is if you find the right "pool player" to speak to, they might just teach you something if you really want to learn. And you probably won't have to spend anything in the process except mabey for table time. :D
 
shoutout33 said:
I know that it's NOT a fairy tale life

Depends on whether you want to be the prince or the toad ;) IMO, there are probably lots more toads... doh!

-td
 
OldHasBeen said:
DARIS - Back in the "60's, 70's & '80's - To "Make It" ($50K, after expenses) "On The Road", meant (IMO), Being smart and deceptive - Than about just being good.
There were Many, Many good players "On The Road" back then that slept many nights in their cars and stiffed motels to get by.
I learned very early that the "Pool Con" was much more lucrative than the Pool Playing.
Daris - Your last sentence -
"Much respect to any and all pool players who have hustled like a gentleman in this game". Is a contradiction in terms - (IMO)
To Hustle IS to deceive, either by stalling to win the most possible OR to bring out the Larceny of the "Mark".
I would guess that only 30% of my earnings in pool came from "Gunfights" with other good players. I "PLAYED" many good players but most of them had No Idea, they were playing a "Pool Player". They let their ego and larceny dictate their fate - instead of what they were seeing Right In Front Of Them.
Remember - "You can't cheat an Honest Man" - Well, I wore out 3 Cadillac’s & 2 Continentals trying to find one - & I'm still looking!

TY & GL


Think the above post tells a story, that could be made into a movie.

Think the life of a Road Player is similar to being an 18 Wheeler Driver Criss Crossing the U.S.A. with cargo boud for many destination.

Bottom line is both Occupation are exciting, but in the long run Work, and only VERY RERWARDING to the select few who ar the Top Producers/Driver/Players.

Like I said I can see a movie in the making about the Life of a Road Player, and I would pay to see thatr movie.
 
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