How hard is it to run an Amateur Tour?

[Barbara]

Kay,
With my tour, the room owners are allowed up to $15 per each entry as greens fees. In addition, I am sponsored by Pechauer Cues and the RO receives a cue from them equivalent in retail value to the amount of money they're adding to the prize fund. This helps a lot in getting rooms to sponsor us.

There's a good debate whether the room should take care of the TD or whether his fee should come out of the entry fees. I feel the room benefits when they've got extra people there enjoying the room's food and beverages, but then again, if it weren't for the TD organizing the event, the players wouldn't be there in the frist place.

Barbara

Barbara,
Thanks for understanding about how much it cost to run a tour. We are not trying to justify how we do things. We are just explaining how it works. The green fees go into the prize fund. I, being the owner, take $10 of the membership fee and put in a prize fund to be distributed out to the top 8 point places in each division. We have 5 divisions at this time. People will always complain. It takes a lot of work and its not a get rich scheme. And the money doesn't stretch. The reason we take out green fees is to get us in the rooms. That way they see that they aren't out much money to have a tournament. We had 54 at our last tournanment in Florida. We have been doing tournaments there for over 5 years and have always had good turn outs. I just feel the people that don't play but complain just are the way they are. I am promoting the game. To give people places to play and practice in a competitive way against other players of the same level or a little better for the enjoyment or to get their game where they want it to be.
Thank you for your reply. I appreciate someone understanding and not complaining.
By the way I did 2 qualifiers for the Spirit Tour at my Florida Ladies Amateur Events. The tour paid the entry fee for the winners. That way they could work their way up into the field and play in a qualifier for WPBA that the Spirit Tour does. We try to work together to make pool build.
Thanks again
Kay

 

[Mike Templeton]

Kay,
With my tour, the room owners are allowed up to $15 per each entry as greens fees. In addition, I am sponsored by Pechauer Cues and the RO receives a cue from them equivalent in retail value to the amount of money they're adding to the prize fund. This helps a lot in getting rooms to sponsor us.

There's a good debate whether the room should take care of the TD or whether his fee should come out of the entry fees. I feel the room benefits when they've got extra people there enjoying the room's food and beverages, but then again, if it weren't for the TD organizing the event, the players wouldn't be there in the frist place.

Barbara

Barbara,

You made my point exactly. "The players wouldn't be there in the first place". How much money is the room going to make if that happens.

Mike

 

[KBP]

Barbara,

You made my point exactly. "The players wouldn't be there in the first place". How much money is the room going to make if that happens.

Mike

The problem is getting the rooms to hold the tournaments. They want to know what's in it for them. That's the reason for the green fees. It gets us in the door. It's not getting the players in there for them. It's what am I getting. Our Fury tour gets a room package per room but not per event. Its really hard out there trying to run these events and get everything we can to intice the rooms to have us in there. We are doing what we can to get places to play. I wish there was an easy answer but its not. Our TD's get paid by the number of players but maxes out with 50 players and the rest of that money goes into the prize fund along with what ever is over the 50 players in the room. We do try.
Kay

 

[Barbara]

Barbara,

You made my point exactly. "The players wouldn't be there in the first place". How much money is the room going to make if that happens.

Mike

Mike,

Maybe they could work something out with the room owner where the TD would get $5 per player up to a cap limit and only take $5 out of the entry fee. You know, split the TD's fee.

Anyone else out there with any sugggestions?

Barbara

 

[Snoozy]

Kay,
I feel the room benefits when they've got extra people there enjoying the room's food and beverages, Barbara

If the tournament were not there then the room would be making table time from the tables. I doubt if food and beverages will make up for that. With a tourney, theyre not getting table time. I think it's entirely possible that a tournament is a money losing event for a room. Especially because most tourneys are on a weekend when a room could easily be full anyway. A tourney's value to a room may be in advertising and publicity, but not in actual cash coming in.

Snoozy

 

[Stixnballs]

Well, I don't know how it is in most places but where I am most rooms are not full or even have 1/4 of there tables rented out most of Satuarday or Sunday during the day. Most business is at night, and the room owner should pay the TD for holding the event and bring the peolple in for food, drinks, etc during a time when most are empty.

I run the florida challenge tournamanets and just had one over the weekend in Davie, Florida.

Let me tell you we charged 50.00 for entry fees and paid back 100% plus added money.

The room owner was happy that there were people in the room during slow periods and as he need tables for customers we consolidated tables and the tournament ran smooth. If you start at noon with 64 you can have the room back to the owner by 8 pm when there night crown usually starts.

 

[Jay021]

First of all let me say that I don't want to be involved in any of this bickering. This is your Tour and you will run it as you see fit. With that being said, let me add my two cents. I live in South Carolina and know the speed of most of the players around here. I also know how Brian plays. Brian is an exceptional player and can beat just about anyone on a good day. But, I don't agree with his name being on a list that may or may not be accurate (quoted earlier by tour owner "The BCA is working hard to get their records straight and will be reviewing past playing records so they can better judge who is an amateur and who is not) should exclude him from tournaments. There are players around here that play better then him that are not on the list. I am not going to make a list because I don't want to ruin any action they may get, but a couple that everyone knows are Stevie Moore or Scott Raybon. Are you going to tell me that Brian is to good to play in a tournament, but Stevie can? Like I said at the first of the post, I don't want to get in a big argument on here, I did want to put my two cents in about the BCA list.

Thanks for listening

 

[know-nada]

There is a really cool new handicapping system in OR called the National Billiard Society - it's for 8-ball and it is very interesting. I don't know about their phone # - I think the website is nationalbilliardsociety.org - get a copy of On The Wire or call them - the NBS has an operator listing in OTW.