How Old Is This Brunswick Table

[Orb]

Picked up this table a few years ago for free and searched all over, including Brunswick's website search feature.
But can't figure out which model this is or approx year of production (Or even if it's authentic, though it sure looks like it is).

Anyhow, the only two tables I found on brunswickbilliards.com and searching their library, were

Table - 1908 | Brunswick Billiards

and

Table - 1905 | Brunswick Billiards

Both of which are approx 1910 era tables.

The two support beams under the table look to have been replaced at some point unfortunately.

Could not find any other identifying marks on the table.
It does have undercut rails to make room for staples and the rails appear to be one piece of wood.
The tenons that appear to come out of the legs and not real tenons however which is quite a shame.

 

[rexus31]

Very cool! I envision this table in a grand Craftsman home somewhere around the turn of the 20th Century.

 

[Boxcar]

1908.
A variant of the St. Bernard "Old Mission."

 

[3kushn]

It's unique. From the pics underneath, it looks like my old table built between 1910 and 1928.

You do know that the support beam aren't original? Wonder what happened that they needed to be replaced. Hopefully they were just lost somewhere the last 100 years.

 

[BuffaloSlim]

Very cool table

 

[hang-the-9]

Cool table, just get rid of the fuzz on there and put on some good cloth

Restoring it or just using as is?

 

[Orb]

Correct, the beams are not OE so I will be replacing them with ones that fit, and some minor touch ups, repairs, new felt, cushions, but otherwise leaving it as is.

 

[fastone371]

Picked up this table a few years ago for free and searched all over, including Brunswick's website search feature.
But can't figure out which model this is or approx year of production (Or even if it's authentic, though it sure looks like it is).

Anyhow, the only two tables I found on brunswickbilliards.com and searching their library, were

Table - 1908 | Brunswick Billiards

and

Table - 1905 | Brunswick Billiards

Both of which are approx 1910 era tables.

The two support beams under the table look to have been replaced at some point unfortunately.

Could not find any other identifying marks on the table.
It does have undercut rails to make room for staples and the rails appear to be one piece of wood.
The tenons that appear to come out of the legs and not real tenons however which is quite a shame.

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That's very cool old table but it seems like it would cost a small fortune to get it to play good.

 

[Orb]

That's very cool old table but it seems like it would cost a small fortune to get it to play good.

Why's that?
Honest question as this is my 1st pool table restoration (sorta).
Aside from cushions, cloth & pockets, 2 replacement beams, (All of which I already have), what else would it need?

edit: I don't have the beams yet but I know a friend that will deff have the correct wood.

 

[Lawnboy77]

Yep! The Old Mission table from around 1906. Keep us posted on the progress. Beams will likely be made from Poplar, but I suppose any good grade hardwood would do. Poplar was chosen for its stability, mahogany is a good stable wood as well.

 

[fastone371]

Why's that?
Honest question as this is my 1st pool table restoration (sorta).
Aside from cushions, cloth & pockets, 2 replacement beams, (All of which I already have), what else would it need?

edit: I don't have the beams yet but I know a friend that will deff have the correct wood.

I think the real problem starts if you have to put cushions on those antique tables, Brunswick Monarch Superspeeds are no longer made. You can have the sub-rails modified for current cushions but its costly. I also think that's one of those tables that the rails bolt to the side of the slate instead of bolts going up through the slate to fasten the rails, many people seem to complain about that too, they say it doesn't plays the same. These were issues that kept me from buying an older table that I found before I landed my Gold Crown. It depends on what you are after, if you just want a nice pool table when its done I'm sure it will be perfect, if you want something that will play similar to the commercial tables available today that may be a big ask. Even on my 1970 model Gold Crown I had to send my rails out for sub-rail modifications and to tighten the pockets. Its a shame cause my original cushions were in great shape but the pockets were huge and I didnt want to stack up thick shims and gaff the pockets up. Good luck, I hope you get what you are after.

 

[rexus31]

I think the real problem starts if you have to put cushions on those antique tables, Brunswick Monarch Superspeeds are no longer made. You can have the sub-rails modified for current cushions but its costly. I also think that's one of those tables that the rails bolt to the side of the slate instead of bolts going up through the slate to fasten the rails, many people seem to complain about that too, they say it doesn't plays the same. These were issues that kept me from buying an older table that I found before I landed my Gold Crown. It depends on what you are after, if you just want a nice pool table when its done I'm sure it will be perfect, if you want something that will play similar to the commercial tables available today that may be a big ask. Even on my 1970 model Gold Crown I had to send my rails out for sub-rail modifications and to tighten the pockets. Its a shame cause my original cushions were in great shape but the pockets were huge and I didnt want to stack up thick shims and gaff the pockets up. Good luck, I hope you get what you are after.

T rail tables can play fine if the person setting it up is familiar with properly setting it up.