how to get out?

[FlipFish]

Playing 9-ball the other day, my opponent was kind enough to leave me ball in hand on the six. "Game over!" I think, but then I look at the table and say "Huh?" ... After scratching my head for a few minutes I put the cueball where shown and tried to go two rails to get decent shape on the 7. I ended up short of the side, with a long cut. I jawed the 7 and sold out.

A little PO'd, I remembered the shot, and set it up again in my next practice session. But I still can't come up with a high-percentage play.

Are you willing to help out a poor dummy like me?

Thanks!

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[zeeder]

Playing 9-ball the other day, my opponent was kind enough to leave me ball in hand on the six. "Game over!" I think, but then I look at the table and say "Huh?" ... After scratching my head for a few minutes I put the cueball where shown and tried to go two rails to get decent shape on the 7. I ended up short of the side, with a long cut. I jawed the 7 and sold out.

A little PO'd, I remembered the shot, and set it up again in my next practice session. But I still can't come up with a high-percentage play.

Are you willing to help out a poor dummy like me?

Thanks!

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Was this play not possible?

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[cubswin]

I may have just played a safe.

 

[JDB]

Playing 9-ball the other day, my opponent was kind enough to leave me ball in hand on the six. "Game over!" I think, but then I look at the table and say "Huh?" ... After scratching my head for a few minutes I put the cueball where shown and tried to go two rails to get decent shape on the 7. I ended up short of the side, with a long cut. I jawed the 7 and sold out.

A little PO'd, I remembered the shot, and set it up again in my next practice session. But I still can't come up with a high-percentage play.

Are you willing to help out a poor dummy like me?

Thanks!

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It is hard to tell if the 6 is sticking out enough to try this, but this is what I would have tried given the setup.

May have to use a little more right english than I have shown though to get the angle.

 

[wayne]

Playing 9-ball the other day, my opponent was kind enough to leave me ball in hand on the six. "Game over!" I think, but then I look at the table and say "Huh?" ... After scratching my head for a few minutes I put the cueball where shown and tried to go two rails to get decent shape on the 7. I ended up short of the side, with a long cut. I jawed the 7 and sold out.

A little PO'd, I remembered the shot, and set it up again in my next practice session. But I still can't come up with a high-percentage play.

Are you willing to help out a poor dummy like me?

Thanks!

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I would probably just play it like this with one cuetip of inside english.

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Wayne

 

[BRKNRUN]

Was this play not possible?

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I am with Zeeder on this one...The shot he describes looks like a solid play......I would probably even be more aggresive with it and stroke it with some follow off the 9-ball with a little firmer stroke and knock the 9-ball down by the corner pocket....You really don't need to get that far down table to have a routine shot on the 7 with the 8 being a duck....

The only real risk I see with the shot is following into the corner pocket...but that should easily be avoidable....

 

[wayne]

I am with Zeeder on this one...The shot he describes looks like a solid play......I would probably even be more aggresive with it and stroke it with some follow off the 9-ball with a little firmer stroke and knock the 9-ball down by the corner pocket....You really don't need to get that far down table to have a routine shot on the 7 with the 8 being a duck....

The only real risk I see with the shot is following into the corner pocket...but that should easily be avoidable....

It looks pretty dumb to me for a couple of reasons. One, you are going to be left with a thin cut on the 7 (it is not possible to even get down close to the corner pocket), two, you are going to be moving the 9 ball quite a bit and might end up blocking the shot on the 7. The only reason to shoot it this way is if you are not very good and the idea of going two rails for position seems like a big task. You should shoot it your way and then the way I suggested 20 times and after 20 times you will be convinced of the correct way to play it.

Wayne

 

[sjm]

I feel strongly that the position calls for the shot recommended by Wayne, meaning two rail inside english follow back to the long side of the seven. Don't run into another object ball unless you absolutely must! That would be bad form.

 

[647km2]

This is how i gonna run all the ball,i will take the 6,draw it back.

Then for the 7,i will make a cut and place it near to the rail,so that i can have a nice cut to the 8 ( low right english ),then have a good position for the 9,this is how it looks like on Wei Table

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The black color line after the 7 is the cueball not the 7

Thank You

 

[nfty9er]

Imo

I like 4 rails to the short side a lot lot better. That shot is real natural.

 

[renard]

It looks pretty dumb to me for a couple of reasons. One, you are going to be left with a thin cut on the 7 (it is not possible to even get down close to the corner pocket), two, you are going to be moving the 9 ball quite a bit and might end up blocking the shot on the 7. The only reason to shoot it this way is if you are not very good and the idea of going two rails for position seems like a big task. You should shoot it your way and then the way I suggested 20 times and after 20 times you will be convinced of the correct way to play it.

Wayne

I like your logic Wayne but I think the second rail will create a larger angle coming off than diagramed. Maybe more speed with a centerball hit would take it naturally there. Maybe even a slight touch of inside (Left) english to negate the collision induced spin on the cue ball.

Of course we are all just theorizing off a wei table so nobodys right or wrong here. It makes you think though about trying out all the options.

 

[LastTwo]

I don't like running into the 9 here. What Wayne said is right, and plus the 9 is hanging in front of the hole. Why move it when you don't have to and make the out a little tougher?

 

[Rod]

With ball in hand I see one smart play. Remember you have ball in hand, set up an angle (and hitting the right amount of 6 ball) that leaves you position without english. Very similar to what Wayne suggests but leave yourself a wider angle. The reason, should you hit it a little soft you still have a decent shot. With a narrow angle, a bit short leaves you with a difficult cut plus you take out the possibility of a scratch in the lower left corner should it be hit a little hard.

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Regardless these shots come up all the time and you need to know where the c/b is going. With or without english two, three or even four rails as suggested. Keep in mind hitting the 6 at the wrong angle, too thin or fat are all variables.

Rod

 

[wayne]

I like your logic Wayne but I think the second rail will create a larger angle coming off than diagramed. Maybe more speed with a centerball hit would take it naturally there. Maybe even a slight touch of inside (Left) english to negate the collision induced spin on the cue ball.

That was the English I said to use. 1 cuetip inside = left English.
I shot it a bunch of times before I posted and it created the angle I showed.

Wayne

 

[renard]

That was the English I said to use. 1 cuetip inside = left English.
I shot it a bunch of times before I posted and it created the angle I showed.

Wayne

My bad. I agree with the left english and your shot selection. I think I read too fast sometimes, skimming: I'll slow down!!!

I will say to everyone reading the thread, I'm with Wayne on the shot selection.

 

[Jersey]

Like someone else said, all interesting options...try them all and see which is a more natural stroke for you...I'd go three rails for shape on the seven...pot the eight...nine in the side & out...

 

[wayne]

I like 4 rails to the short side a lot lot better. That shot is real natural.

This is also a very good option. The landing area is much larger on the other side so it just depends if you are comfortable with the inside english or not or if you are sure of your speed going to the short side.

Sample landing areas:

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Wayne

 

[BRKNRUN]

It looks pretty dumb to me for a couple of reasons. One, you are going to be left with a thin cut on the 7 (it is not possible to even get down close to the corner pocket), two, you are going to be moving the 9 ball quite a bit and might end up blocking the shot on the 7. The only reason to shoot it this way is if you are not very good and the idea of going two rails for position seems like a big task. You should shoot it your way and then the way I suggested 20 times and after 20 times you will be convinced of the correct way to play it.

Wayne

Dumb is relative term...and should be left out in reference to shot selection...unless your just trying to take a jab at someone...

I can hit your shot all day, and get shape that way....what I don't like about it is your are shooting away from the next ball..You have to travel quite a distance to get shape....

You have ball in hand for pete sake...You get to pick how much 9-ball you are going to clip in the first place (if any at all depending on how it lays)...If you know anything about the tangent line, you should be able to "set up" a shot to easily get down table....Yes if there is too much 9-ball in the way you would have to opt for an alternative solution...but with ball in hand and that layout...I am looking for the simple route to the next ball....

The other thing I don't like about your shot is....You need to controle that inside english when it hits the end rail...Hit it too soft and the CB kills off the rail....Hit it too hard and you may still come down and scratch in the corner...

There are a lot of variables...The way you describe is definatley more "flashy" for the crowd....but I don't care what anyone says....I am looking for the easy route first....If it is not available I can always hit the shot your described......

 

[JDB]

I would probably just play it like this with one cuetip of inside english.

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Wayne

Simple and effective. Nice shot. That should work most of the time.

 

[JDB]

This is also a very good option. The landing area is much larger on the other side so it just depends if you are comfortable with the inside english or not or if you are sure of your speed going to the short side.

Sample landing areas:

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Wayne

Depends on what you are comfortable with though. The 3 - 4 rail just seems more "natural" and you don't have to over hit the ball like you may with inside english.