How to use Paypal for Raffles

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TheHole

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Maybe this info will help some of you that run raffles hold onto your money when a sore loser disputes the charge with paypal claiming you ran an illegal and unfair raffle.

I personally ran into this about 10 years ago when I ran a version of a pyramid (so the government says) scheme, I called it a randomizer because there was no ascending order for people that sold more, the more shares of the randomizer you bought, the higher your name would move up the list....but it was close enough to a ponzi the government decided to pay me a visit about it.......ANYWAY, long story short, I was told I could continue doing what I was doing as long as I sold the person a product for their money. It doesn't matter what it is.....information is the easiest thing to sell, so I made up a 1 page sheet on "Improving your life in 10 easy steps"....and it was stupid obvious stuff like, EAT Balanced meals, etc.....but because I sold that 1 page sheet to them, they allowed the other to proceed. I had to sell them a product and give away the gambling free.......so they would in essence pay $20 for the 1 page report and get a free spot in the randomizer

We do the same thing today with sweepstakes....in most states, lotteries and sweepstakes are illegal.....so how does McDonalds do Monopoly all across the country? That is an illegal sweepstakes, but because they sell you a product and give you the game piece free, it is legal everywhere!

So make a sheet called "Improve your game in 10 steps"...and make 10 obvious steps in improving your game.....sell that for the raffle cost, and include a FREE raffle ticket with the purchase.....copy and paste your 10 steps and email it to them.....voila, you have violated no laws

I know because they let me keep my $120,000 Porsche TT the randomizer paid for(oh those were the days)
 
TheHole said:
Maybe this info will help some of you that run raffles hold onto your money when a sore loser disputes the charge with paypal claiming you ran an illegal and unfair raffle.

I personally ran into this about 10 years ago when I ran a version of a pyramid (so the government says) scheme, I called it a randomizer because there was no ascending order for people that sold more, the more shares of the randomizer you bought, the higher your name would move up the list....but it was close enough to a ponzi the government decided to pay me a visit about it.......ANYWAY, long story short, I was told I could continue doing what I was doing as long as I sold the person a product for their money. It doesn't matter what it is.....information is the easiest thing to sell, so I made up a 1 page sheet on "Improving your life in 10 easy steps"....and it was stupid obvious stuff like, EAT Balanced meals, etc.....but because I sold that 1 page sheet to them, they allowed the other to proceed. I had to sell them a product and give away the gambling free.......so they would in essence pay $20 for the 1 page report and get a free spot in the randomizer

We do the same thing today with sweepstakes....in most states, lotteries and sweepstakes are illegal.....so how does McDonalds do Monopoly all across the country? That is an illegal sweepstakes, but because they sell you a product and give you the game piece free, it is legal everywhere!

So make a sheet called "Improve your game in 10 steps"...and make 10 obvious steps in improving your game.....sell that for the raffle cost, and include a FREE raffle ticket with the purchase.....copy and paste your 10 steps and email it to them.....voila, you have violated no laws

I know because they let me keep my $120,000 Porsche TT the randomizer paid for(oh those were the days)
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Your my hero........
 
TheHole said:
Maybe this info will help some of you that run raffles hold onto your money when a sore loser disputes the charge with paypal claiming you ran an illegal and unfair raffle.

I personally ran into this about 10 years ago when I ran a version of a pyramid (so the government says) scheme, I called it a randomizer because there was no ascending order for people that sold more, the more shares of the randomizer you bought, the higher your name would move up the list....but it was close enough to a ponzi the government decided to pay me a visit about it.......ANYWAY, long story short, I was told I could continue doing what I was doing as long as I sold the person a product for their money. It doesn't matter what it is.....information is the easiest thing to sell, so I made up a 1 page sheet on "Improving your life in 10 easy steps"....and it was stupid obvious stuff like, EAT Balanced meals, etc.....but because I sold that 1 page sheet to them, they allowed the other to proceed. I had to sell them a product and give away the gambling free.......so they would in essence pay $20 for the 1 page report and get a free spot in the randomizer

We do the same thing today with sweepstakes....in most states, lotteries and sweepstakes are illegal.....so how does McDonalds do Monopoly all across the country? That is an illegal sweepstakes, but because they sell you a product and give you the game piece free, it is legal everywhere!

So make a sheet called "Improve your game in 10 steps"...and make 10 obvious steps in improving your game.....sell that for the raffle cost, and include a FREE raffle ticket with the purchase.....copy and paste your 10 steps and email it to them.....voila, you have violated no laws

I know because they let me keep my $120,000 Porsche TT the randomizer paid for(oh those were the days)
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Interesting.
 
NICE! thats like selling rocks at a concert for $5 and giving away a free beer with every rock.

~Will.
 
TheHole said:
Maybe this info will help some of you that run raffles hold onto your money when a sore loser disputes the charge with paypal claiming you ran an illegal and unfair raffle.

I personally ran into this about 10 years ago when I ran a version of a pyramid (so the government says) scheme, I called it a randomizer because there was no ascending order for people that sold more, the more shares of the randomizer you bought, the higher your name would move up the list....but it was close enough to a ponzi the government decided to pay me a visit about it.......ANYWAY, long story short, I was told I could continue doing what I was doing as long as I sold the person a product for their money. It doesn't matter what it is.....information is the easiest thing to sell, so I made up a 1 page sheet on "Improving your life in 10 easy steps"....and it was stupid obvious stuff like, EAT Balanced meals, etc.....but because I sold that 1 page sheet to them, they allowed the other to proceed. I had to sell them a product and give away the gambling free.......so they would in essence pay $20 for the 1 page report and get a free spot in the randomizer

We do the same thing today with sweepstakes....in most states, lotteries and sweepstakes are illegal.....so how does McDonalds do Monopoly all across the country? That is an illegal sweepstakes, but because they sell you a product and give you the game piece free, it is legal everywhere!

So make a sheet called "Improve your game in 10 steps"...and make 10 obvious steps in improving your game.....sell that for the raffle cost, and include a FREE raffle ticket with the purchase.....copy and paste your 10 steps and email it to them.....voila, you have violated no laws

I know because they let me keep my $120,000 Porsche TT the randomizer paid for(oh those were the days)
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You have violated no laws but an unsatisfied customer always gets their money back thru PayPal. No if...ands...or buts ... from my experience.
 
Bigjohn said:
You have violated no laws but an unsatisfied customer always gets their money back thru PayPal. No if...ands...or buts ... from my experience.
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That's not true. I have had a few people try to fraudulently dispute a payment through PayPal and I have always won.

And as we see from PayPal's response to the two whiny babies they aren't getting their money back either.

PayPal gives the seller a window to respond in and if satisfied with the answer they receive they refuse the seller's claim.

Now, as to the legality of the Hole's scheme. Even if it's legal PayPal doesn't have to allow it through their gateway. Many payment gateways don't allow porn sites or gambling sites to do business through them even though those things are (mostly) legal.

Now tell me more about the randomizer. That coupled with my "Raffle the Same cue x-times" scheme should provide me way more income that reviving dead brands. :-)
 
TheHole said:
Maybe this info will help some of you that run raffles hold onto your money when a sore loser disputes the charge with paypal claiming you ran an illegal and unfair raffle.

I personally ran into this about 10 years ago when I ran a version of a pyramid (so the government says) scheme, I called it a randomizer because there was no ascending order for people that sold more, the more shares of the randomizer you bought, the higher your name would move up the list....but it was close enough to a ponzi the government decided to pay me a visit about it.......ANYWAY, long story short, I was told I could continue doing what I was doing as long as I sold the person a product for their money. It doesn't matter what it is.....information is the easiest thing to sell, so I made up a 1 page sheet on "Improving your life in 10 easy steps"....and it was stupid obvious stuff like, EAT Balanced meals, etc.....but because I sold that 1 page sheet to them, they allowed the other to proceed. I had to sell them a product and give away the gambling free.......so they would in essence pay $20 for the 1 page report and get a free spot in the randomizer

We do the same thing today with sweepstakes....in most states, lotteries and sweepstakes are illegal.....so how does McDonalds do Monopoly all across the country? That is an illegal sweepstakes, but because they sell you a product and give you the game piece free, it is legal everywhere!

So make a sheet called "Improve your game in 10 steps"...and make 10 obvious steps in improving your game.....sell that for the raffle cost, and include a FREE raffle ticket with the purchase.....copy and paste your 10 steps and email it to them.....voila, you have violated no laws

I know because they let me keep my $120,000 Porsche TT the randomizer paid for(oh those were the days)
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Rock out with your Randomizer out. Nice work bud, thanks
 
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