That's my plan.CaptiveBred said:
How Would You Play This? IV
- Thread starter Jude Rosenstock
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The underlying problem with the 2-railer is, you'll need to put right-spin on the cue-ball otherwise you're not going to get that angle. You MIGHT be able to masse into it.
No matter, they're all low-percentage which is why I would consider going off the point of the side pocket. Hit it with low and firm - that way, if you DO make contact (and there's a reasonable chance you will), you can put enough juice on it to make something happen.
I don't like tying up the balls - giving up BIH with two on the table IMO will result in a loss against a competent player.
No matter, they're all low-percentage which is why I would consider going off the point of the side pocket. Hit it with low and firm - that way, if you DO make contact (and there's a reasonable chance you will), you can put enough juice on it to make something happen.
I don't like tying up the balls - giving up BIH with two on the table IMO will result in a loss against a competent player.
Jude Rosenstock said:
IMHO, the point of the side pocket is a much lower percentage shot. Look at it this way: you've been playing on the table and have gotten a feel for the rails. You will probably make contact with the 8 about 90 percent of the time with the 2-railer. As for off the point, doesn't matter if you hit it low and firm, high and soft or anywhere in between, you still have to hit a spot on the point the size of a pin. A one in ten proposition.
Jude Rosenstock said:
From the position you have setup here, you are a huge underdog to win the game from here anyway. Giving yourself the best chance to make contact with the 8, and using proper speed you can hope for getting the 8 tied up with the 9, giving yourself another chance at the table.
Pick up the cue ball, throw it at the guy's nads, grab the money off the light, and run like hell.
Intentional foul all day. I am confident that I could kick the eight, but that doesn't win the game...I am CERTAIN that I could tie up those balls more often than I could kick the eight IN and get out.
I_Need_D_8 said:
You should try the point off the side. The cue-ball really has few options but to go toward that quadrant of the table. Also, you should try that two-railer jacked-up over the 9-ball. The cue-ball really is going to come-up flat unless you're masseing into it.
The bottom-line is, it's bad no matter which way you go but if you go off the point of the side, you can put a lot of speed on the shot and give yourself a good chance of winning if you do get the hit.
Jude Rosenstock said:
VIProfessor said:
I agree with the tough shot over a tough safety, but I just don't see the two as being equal. If this was my opponent's shot, I'd be grinning when they go to kick at it...
Jude, keep 'em coming...I love these threads. I must have missed the second one somehow, though...
I_Need_D_8 said:
You're right. You're not jacked-up if you plan on hitting it without right-spin. However, you'll miss the 8-ball by about two diamonds.
Jude Rosenstock said:
I agree with Jude that the shot comes in flat. I practice this two railer into the corner pocket, but I play it with draw. I can make it about 50% of the time, but the problem is you have to hit it pretty solid to make sure the cue is still spinning after the second rail. Thus no slow rail into the 8, so even if you hit it, it sells out.
jdr said:
Can you diagram what you speak of? I can't quite picture this. Are you getting a bend off the second rail? That sounds like a really firm hit.
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HUOj3IYet3PbBe3kbBe3kaLX1kVEs1kcPn1kRWw4kBRC3kThb@
Here is a diagram (I think) I'm still figuring out cuetable. But yeah, the curve comes after the second rail and it is a very firm hit, but not as firm as you might think. But I don't like it on this shot because the cue ball would still be moving faster than I would want...
Here is a diagram (I think) I'm still figuring out cuetable. But yeah, the curve comes after the second rail and it is a very firm hit, but not as firm as you might think. But I don't like it on this shot because the cue ball would still be moving faster than I would want...
My choice without a doubt is the two railer. It takes very little english to contact the 8. The nine being there isn't an issue with a level stroke. Playing angles is more consistant off a flat predictable surface.
Off the point is an option but it is not near as predictable as a flat surface. A masse could work but you run the risk of moving the nine. That and having a chance to make the 8 is far better with a two rail or off the point. In this case, I think making the 8 is your only chance against a good player.
The push, (I'll call it that since that is what it will probably be) isn't legal, not to mention it only delays you loosing the game against a good player. Your kind of screwed here so you better come with a shot. After which in most cases you will probably loose, so just rackem. LOL
PS, will someone explain how to put the wei photo in a post.
Rod
Off the point is an option but it is not near as predictable as a flat surface. A masse could work but you run the risk of moving the nine. That and having a chance to make the 8 is far better with a two rail or off the point. In this case, I think making the 8 is your only chance against a good player.
The push, (I'll call it that since that is what it will probably be) isn't legal, not to mention it only delays you loosing the game against a good player. Your kind of screwed here so you better come with a shot. After which in most cases you will probably loose, so just rackem. LOL
PS, will someone explain how to put the wei photo in a post.
Rod
Comments
I would probably go for the 2 rail kick because:
1) Unless you are dialed in to coming off the tit (which are 1/32" adjustments, BTW), you aren't going to be accurate the first time.
How many of you practice titty shots, to different parts of the table????
with different english???
I can be more accurate making adjustments in the 2 rail kick than a 'guess' at the tit shot, and I would shoot it with speed because if I made it I can make the 9 from anywhere, but if I miss, I might get lucky on leave with distance between the cue and 8.
The other option is a 4 railer: going over by the cross side pocket with inside to propel the cue into a normal 3 rail shot.
OR: Shoot just a 3 railer, shooting the cue into the close long rail and down for the final 2 rails.
I would probably go for the 2 rail kick because:
1) Unless you are dialed in to coming off the tit (which are 1/32" adjustments, BTW), you aren't going to be accurate the first time.
How many of you practice titty shots, to different parts of the table????
with different english???
I can be more accurate making adjustments in the 2 rail kick than a 'guess' at the tit shot, and I would shoot it with speed because if I made it I can make the 9 from anywhere, but if I miss, I might get lucky on leave with distance between the cue and 8.
The other option is a 4 railer: going over by the cross side pocket with inside to propel the cue into a normal 3 rail shot.
OR: Shoot just a 3 railer, shooting the cue into the close long rail and down for the final 2 rails.
Using the point of the side pocket is easily the lowest percentage option. I tried the kick a few times today. You don't need sidespin. A firm hit with center ball gets you to the 8 going 2 rails. It's not that difficult a hit. Ask yourself what the pros would do in this situation. I think they would all go for the 2 rail kick. It would be great if Grady, Freddy, or any other pro on this forum could chime in. (pretty please? )
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