Game is 8ball on a nice bar box.
I am a strong APA 5. The guy I am playing is an APA 7, and he is shooting lights out last night.
Match is hill-hill.
I am solids.
I'm a ,"strong 5," too, so don't take offense.:grin:
O.K. Barricade corner pocket with 3B is a must. I don't know how much of 3B you can see but if you can, use very low right and try to pull CB over behind 10B. That's about it.
Shame on you for getting yourself in this position.:frown:
I'm a ,"strong 5," too, so don't take offense.:grin:
O.K. Barricade corner pocket with 3B is a must. I don't know how much of 3B you can see but if you can, use very low right and try to pull CB over behind 10B. That's about it.
Shame on you for getting yourself in this position.:frown:
Yeah, it's hard to tell the deflection angles english will afford you after the cue ball comes off the 3. If you can get the cue ball snugged on the 10 or the 13, that's extra credit. Just bar the corner up with the 3 or you're:
You're in solid trouble for sure. You could also try to go real thin & soft off the left side of the 3 and leave him on the back of the 11. If you get your 3 in front of the pocket, it probably won't do you much good. Good chance you'll leave him where he can take possesion of your 1 ball with the 9. 15 blocks the 4 from that area, and you likely won't be able to see the 3.
From here the 7's #1 job is not to win - it's to win when he's ready.
The short and thick of it is to not get yourself in these situations, as 12310bch pointed out.
Against a 7, a general rule should be...If you run down to 2 or 3 balls and miss.. You lose. ALWAYS keeping this in mind when playing a 7 will do one of two things..
1. Cause you to "dog" it.
or
2. Cause you to bear down and focus when you have a chance to run out. Will make you pay more attention to the finer positional ideas you see when watching better players.
While it is interesting to debate the best move in situations like this... It won't do much to improve your actual play.
What would be MUCH more helpful is if you posted the shot right before this one, so we can help you figure out how to win games like this, rather than "avoid losing" them.
In this situation, since your opponent has so many options left on the table, it really makes no difference if you commit a legal shot or a deliberate foul - you're leaving a shot ANYWAY. You are supposed to lose here about 95% of the time (if I did my math correctly) but you CAN make things difficult for him in the meanwhile. I would push the 8ball to tie up the 12. I may even chance it and try to push the 8ball infront of the 11.
Your OTHER option (which is probably just as good) is to kick hard at the 3ball with the intent to pocket. You're going to pocket the 3 and get position on the 1ball about 1 in 20 BUT that's not so bad, if you ask me.
The short and thick of it is to not get yourself in these situations, as 12310bch pointed out...
What would be MUCH more helpful is if you posted the shot right before this one, so we can help you figure out how to win games like this, rather than "avoid losing" them.
Great advice, the shot before would be the critical time to take a time-out versus the shot shown.
I used to call time-outs on a certain 5 on my team prior to them taking the shot that would get them in trouble. He didn't like it so I quit calling them. Then, he would always get in these types of situations and then he would call a time out.
I would always tell him that he should have called the time out on the shot before because now there was little or nothing I could do to help him.
my first thought was to tie up the corner with the three, but there is a break ball close for him to use. i think i would try to tie his 9 ball to the one, it is harder to break out and giving him a chance back at the table is a given so make him work harder. i do agree with other posts that suggest that the shot before this should be looked at in order to avoid this very situation.
I didnt leave my self in the position. He shot and and missed the 14 and left me here. its not to say that i dont usually leave myself in pickles like this, because i do...often.
Anyway.
I went for the win here. I kicked really hard at the one, ended up going two off the short rail and made the 1 ball, in the bottom right corner. i dont even know what english i put on it...it was pure luck.
This is what i ended up with
I played the 4 off of the 3. Got lucky again by leaving the 3 out in the open, played it in the same corner and ended up with an easy 8 ball.
It was pure luck that this happend this way, and playing safe leaving the 3ball stuck around the corner is a way better option, and i should have seen and played that.
In this situation, since your opponent has so many options left on the table, it really makes no difference if you commit a legal shot or a deliberate foul - you're leaving a shot ANYWAY. You are supposed to lose here about 95% of the time (if I did my math correctly) but you CAN make things difficult for him in the meanwhile. I would push the 8ball to tie up the 12. I may even chance it and try to push the 8ball infront of the 11.
Your OTHER option (which is probably just as good) is to kick hard at the 3ball with the intent to pocket. You're going to pocket the 3 and get position on the 1ball about 1 in 20 BUT that's not so bad, if you ask me.
My sentiments exactly. I would probably choose the kick over tying up the 8/12, however, because with BIH that APA7 is going to use the 11 to undo the cluster immediately.
You're right, 1 in 20 is about the best odds you're going to get from this spot.
I didnt leave my self in the position. He shot and and missed the 14 and left me here. its not to say that i dont usually leave myself in pickles like this, because i do...often.
Anyway.
I went for the win here. I kicked really hard at the one, ended up going two off the short rail and made the 1 ball, in the bottom right corner. i dont even know what english i put on it...it was pure luck.
This is what i ended up with
I played the 4 off of the 3. Got lucky again by leaving the 3 out in the open, played it in the same corner and ended up with an easy 8 ball.
It was pure luck that this happend this way, and playing safe leaving the 3ball stuck around the corner is a way better option, and i should have seen and played that.
You basically pulled one out of your ass. Very nice. As was stated before, the path to great 8ball relies heavily on avoiding these situations. There really is very little to learn from them. Of course, we all find ourselves in screwy situations like these from failed run-out attempts. No matter how good you get, they will happen from time to time. In fact, it's sort of an escalating process. As you get better, your opponents get better, they take bigger chances, you're forced to take bigger chances yourself. Eventually you become a Grand Master like Steve Lipsky and just play perfect for an entire set only to lose to another guy who played perfect but won the coin-toss for first break.
If that shot is available, yes that is definitely the play. From my perspective sitting at my desk looking at my computer screen (which is always 100% accurate and where I routinely play perfect), it appears the 11ball is in the way. If it's not, you have to go for it.
You basically pulled one out of your ass. Very nice. As was stated before, the path to great 8ball relies heavily on avoiding these situations. There really is very little to learn from them. Of course, we all find ourselves in screwy situations like these from failed run-out attempts. No matter how good you get, they will happen from time to time. In fact, it's sort of an escalating process. As you get better, your opponents get better, they take bigger chances, you're forced to take bigger chances yourself. Eventually you become a Grand Master like Steve Lipsky and just play perfect for an entire set only to lose to another guy who played perfect but won the coin-toss for first break.
I have never had the pleasure of playing someone so good that in a race to 3, I would have to worry about dogging the coin toss. Id love to get the chance to see that though.
I have never had the pleasure of playing someone so good that in a race to 3, I would have to worry about dogging the coin toss. Id love to get the chance to see that though.
If ever you get the chance, go to the BCA Nationals in Las Vegas. They happen in May. It's a 10 day event where the world's best barbox players converge on the Riviera. Jason Kirkwood and Shane VanBoening are regulars to the event and probably are amongst the top 10 barbox players in the world. I can't tell you how much your perspective on the game will change from watching those guys.
