Hustlers and Hustling

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jjinfla

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All this talk about pool hustlers got me thinking just what does a person mean when he calls someone a hustler. Or he states he was hustled.

When a person comes to town and states he is looking for a game and another person takes him on and the visitor keeps winning by a small margin does that qualify him as being a hustler?

Or even if he loses the first few matches and then ups the ante and wins - is he then a hustler?

It doesn't take a genius to watch someone play and be able to tell that he has game.

It seems to me that anytime the local loses he cries foul that he was hustled. But had he won everything would be okay.

The way I look at it. Anytime someone decides to play for money both parties either think they will win, or else one justs wants the challenge.

The funny part is when a hustler calls the other player a hustler as in the COM.

If someone is playing for $20 to $50 a set then how much can they lose? If they lose more then a couple of hundred then they are not being hustled - they are just plain stupid. I don't consider that a hustle. Just taking advantage of an idiot. If they are playing for larger amounts then the player had better know what he is getting into before he makes the match.

To me the real hustlers are the car salesmen. LOL

Jake
 
I was writing a post on the same subject when you made this post. What's funny is the one handed hustler I played yesterday said he sold cars for a living and he looked like a used car salesman. Go figure.
 
a hustler is a player 3 times better than you who wants you to spot him the 7 and up,,,,or whatever he can get away with.
 
But Bruin 70, How dumb does a person have to be to agree to that? And really, how much would he lose until he got wise?

I guess there must really be a lot of dumb pool players if that's the case.

But I do see guys matching up over and over where the same guy always ends up one, two or three sets ahead. But it's for $10 to $30 sets. Not enough to make a living out of it.

Jake
 
reply to PLATO

have you not ever heard of - chasing your money? many players do, and some get it back.
 
Plato_17 said:
This is very simple, if the guy is losing bad, and now wants to double the bet, what normal person would do that, raise the bet when you have proved you are better than him and he cannot win. When he does that, he is a hustler 99% of the time...
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Your nick is plato implying that you are a deep thinker, and an open minded man, but I can clearly see from your posts that this is indeed a farce. You slammed me for identifying a hustler based on the criteria you just laid out in this post.

I just wonder how does it feel to continue to give your money away when you clearly have at least one clue as to what a hustler does, yet you purger yourself by castigating others for making a good decision and walking away.

I can clearly see in this case that you're the green one because you can't even keep a straight thought, i.e. You've already contradicted yourself twice in one day.

Have a nice day.
 
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JMB said:
have you not ever heard of - chasing your money? many players do, and some get it back.
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Sure, a lot of fools do that. And not only in pool. One guy kept coming to the pool room to play for $10, $20 race to five. And he was at least two balls worse then the guy who he WANTED to play and would play even. On his very best day he only lost $60. Usually it was $150 to $200. And he kept coming back hoping to win. Told me that was the only way he was going to get better.

Then he lost his job and moved out of town. I thought the other guy was going to break down and cry. His money tree left him.

Now is the winner hustling the loser? Or is the loser just stupid?

This went on two - three times a week for a couple months.

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
But Bruin 70, How dumb does a person have to be to agree to that? And really, how much would he lose until he got wise?

I guess there must really be a lot of dumb pool players if that's the case.

But I do see guys matching up over and over where the same guy always ends up one, two or three sets ahead. But it's for $10 to $30 sets. Not enough to make a living out of it.

Jake
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the guy being hustled doesn't know the hustler's speed. :):) i was mainly describing the hustler's point of view,,ie, get away with as much as he can with as little effort as possible.
 
There are two types of hustling. There is small-time hustling, and big-time hustling. Small timers do exactly what everyone described, they find a fish, make someone an offer they can't refuse, and win a few hundred bucks. Big-time hustling can take days or even months to get the prize fish. This usually involves alot of dumping. You go and match up with anyone, lose a few hundred or a few thousand, and keep doing that for a while. Word gets around to the prize fish that there is a chump in town losing thousands of dollars to guppies, so the prize fish picks up his cuestick and heads to the poolroom, ready to play this so called "chump" for any amount. The "chump" beats the big fish out of 5 times what he lost to the guppies, and quickly leaves town.
 
There are only 2 types of situations where
I lose money.
!. I can lose big( by my standards) when
I know I'm supposed to be winning.
In other words, I am aware of the other
guy's ability.
2. I will lose a little sometimes just to find
out how good the other guy is.
I don't let myself get hustled. I've been
around enough to recognize what's going on.
People who get hustled are dumb, greedy
or both.
 
jjinfla said:

If someone is playing for $20 to $50 a set then how much can they lose? If they lose more then a couple of hundred then they are not being hustled - they are just plain stupid. I don't consider that a hustle. Just taking advantage of an idiot.

To me the real hustlers are the car salesmen. LOL

Jake
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isnt that the point of hustling? you find an "idiot" and beat the "idiot". same tactics are used in selling cars.

its all a matter of who can make you feel confident and good about yourself.

if you have to ask yourself why is this guy asking me to play for $$, then you dont know where you sit on the food chain so play w/ caution.

as someone said in a differant thread, you have to watch for the shooting habbits that are the hardest to break. IE: stance, setup, stroke, overall body language befor after and durring the shots.

its all about clocking someone, and how well you can read people.
 
Proplayer, good post & you're absolutely
right. I've seen it done by real hustlers.
They take their time & stay in town
for quite a while. Not going for the
quick hustle.
 
Hondo,

That's what Eddie was trying to teach Vincent at Chalkies in "The Color of Money". Vincent beat the best player in the house for $150 and lost thousands by dropping Earl off the hook.

I still don't look at this as an admirable quality in a human being. The best hustlers I've met have not been the best people I've met. Sorry if that offends anyone. Of course I haven't met every pool hustler out there either.
 
Rick, I grew up in a mob town. I'm certainly
not 1 myself but I've seen it all, rubbed elbows
with these guys, & I have kind of a perverse
fascination with these characters. As others
have stated on here it's usually the greedy
who get hustled. But you're right; I wouldn't
want to invite them into my home.
 
Hondo,

We've had a similar upbringing then. I grew up in a family business. We had business acquaintences that had offered to "take people out" for us if we wished. We never took them up on it but appreciated the extent they were willing to go to show us their respect and loyalty. We never did invite them to the house for dinner though.

I also have the same perverse fascination with these characters as you so eloquently describe them. I don't consider myself a gambler but I love to watch and be around action.
 
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