I am quiting apa.....lost 9 ball play offs tonight

[hang-the-9]

I was poking fun at big kats quoting apa thread. ...pogmothoin got it right....its a joke :grin:

On a serious note..if you give an opponent of equal playing ability bih 4 times during a match you deserve to lose and I said as much in big kats thread.

I have to say that part of your post bugs me . You and many others think that when an opponent plays better than "you " think they should the first thing that pops in your mind is that they are a sandbagger.

It does not matter that they had the easiest layout you ever saw.

It does not matter that they got a few lucky rolls

It does not matter that they made a shot that they could not duplicate if their life depended on it.

The only thing that matters to you is that in this particular match they ran more balls than "you " think they are capable of and therefore must be a sandbagger.

It's funny as hell but sad at the same time.

You can tell exactly how good they play in 3 shots. If you get out of a rack playing good position, making good shots, no accidental bumps of a ball to get lucky shape, and run out, that would show me exactly how good the player is. Just because someone beat me would not matter. And I don't play in leagues so it really does not bother me personally outside of the fact that someone is cheating LOL

You should be able to tell if the run was just a fluke or was planned out. I play in a handicapped tournament where there are a few 3s. Every so often one of them gets on a roll and runs 4-5-6 balls, but you can see they are struggling with position and pocketing well. Heck, I want those people to get better, I teach the lower level players something every week, sometimes in the middle of a match LOL. If a 3 is running out and is on way to becoming a 4, I'm very happy for them, not complaining that they beat me. If a 3 ran 6 balls on me with perfect shape and precision, that is where the sandbagging title would stick.

 

[lorider]

You can tell exactly how good they play in 3 shots. If you get out of a rack playing good position, making good shots, no accidental bumps of a ball to get lucky shape, and run out, that would show me exactly how good the player is. Just because someone beat me would not matter. And I don't play in leagues so it really does not bother me personally outside of the fact that someone is cheating LOL

You should be able to tell if the run was just a fluke or was planned out. I play in a handicapped tournament where there are a few 3s. Every so often one of them gets on a roll and runs 4-5-6 balls, but you can see they are struggling with position and pocketing well. Heck, I want those people to get better, I teach the lower level players something every week, sometimes in the middle of a match LOL. If a 3 is running out and is on way to becoming a 4, I'm very happy for them, not complaining that they beat me. If a 3 ran 6 balls on me with perfect shape and precision, that is where the sandbagging title would stick.

There is some truth to this post . When you replied to my earlier post about how I ran several racks after getting big I got the impression you think I may be a sand bagger or at the very least better than my handicap indicates

The problem I have with your opinion is it is based on just that one match. I lost 31-30 to a 4 last night and if you had watched that match you would know I am not a sandbagger lol.

Gonna give you another example. I have a 3 on my team that is probably the worst 3 in town. We play on gold crowns a couple of times a session. One night my 3 had a break and that would have done Allison Fischer proud. She went methodically and effortlessly from one shot to the next. Watching her you would have sworn she was at least a 6.

She has played for 4 years and has never had a game like that before or since. Actually it frustrates the hell outa me that 90% of the time she can't run 2 balls in a row with bih.

Yea I heard a lot of complaining that night about her handicap lol. She will never reach my level but she managed to do what I have never done and she did it effortlessly. Yea I have had a few break and runs on a 7' but never a 9' .

 

[hang-the-9]

There is some truth to this post . When you replied to my earlier post about how I ran several racks after getting big I got the impression you think I may be a sand bagger or at the very least better than my handicap indicates

The problem I have with your opinion is it is based on just that one match. I lost 31-30 to a 4 last night and if you had watched that match you would know I am not a sandbagger lol.

Gonna give you another example. I have a 3 on my team that is probably the worst 3 in town. We play on gold crowns a couple of times a session. One night my 3 had a break and that would have done Allison Fischer proud. She went methodically and effortlessly from one shot to the next. Watching her you would have sworn she was at least a 6.

She has played for 4 years and has never had a game like that before or since. Actually it frustrates the hell outa me that 90% of the time she can't run 2 balls in a row with bih.

Yea I heard a lot of complaining that night about her handicap lol. She will never reach my level but she managed to do what I have never done and she did it effortlessly. Yea I have had a few break and runs on a 7' but never a 9' .

But even with that 3 that had a good run (and good for her by the way!), you can tell how they play normally that they are still a 3. I was talking about average balls run, and also how they play and shots they know. We all should know what shots a certain skill level knows how to play and how they play position, heck, I can estimate a player just by how he places a ball in hand. A 3 or a 4 is likely to line up a straight easy shot instead of planning for position to the next ball, a 5 or 6 would give them an easy shot with maybe tougher shape, and a 6 or 7 may shoot a slightly tough shot to get easy shape.

It's just tough to say in a forum post about ratings or how you can see how people play. I do know that if a guy comes into a tournament and tells the organizer he is a weak player, then gets down and strokes a draw shot with spin 3 rails and cuts a ball at a 90 degree angle on a rail with inside, in those two shots you know what his real rating should be. Had that happen last week, one guy I watched break and run 2 racks, his friend did very well also and made some good shots, and they were amazed that I told the guy running the tournament they should be a 6 and a 5 (this tournament is 3-6 ratings) instead of 3 or 4 or 5. The guy that shot an inside spin cut told me he played about like the two 3s that were there when I asked how well he played. He got to the finals against me as a 5 and beat me the first set (I won the second and the tournament).

We had another one that was put in as a 3, I saw him practice, he should have been at least a 4, maybe a 5, then his friend who also played that week told me "I know him, he is a 3 in my league dont' worry". I said "so he just cheats in league also " LOL This "3" lost to another 3 because he broke and ran a rack and just hung up a 9 ball, and had several other good runs.

 

[Skippy27]

Never play a "safe" just "miss"
Jason

Yeah, that doesn't work either if someone like me is keeping score. If you get away with it in your division and that leading up to the big tournaments you would be one of those guys whining about getting moved up and your team only being able to play 4 players.

 

[michael4]

If anything, you had a break and run, if a 5 in 9 ball did that to me, I'd think they were the sandbagger. A 5 in 9 ball APA is maybe a C, which means that 7,8 ball runs are pretty much never done by them.

I agree with this, a C player (APA 5?) doesnt break and run very often....

 

[lorider]

I agree with this, a C player (APA 5?) doesnt break and run very often....

Never heard of player a breaking ...cue ball.flies off the table.....one or two balls.falling......player b comes to the table with ball in hand and runs the remaining balls being a break and run

 

[Str8PoolMan]

The Sandman Cometh...

I I am a 5 and lost to another 5 tonight. I gave that sandbagger ball in hand 4 times tonight and he beat me 38-33.:angry: Nah I aint quitting......j/ k about that could have been a lot worse if I had not put one break and run on him. Whew !!

On a positive note . We did win 8 ball playoffs tonight. I played a 6 and won 4-2.I love it hen they attempt break and runs and fail. Gives me the opportunity to safety the crap out of them.

You're a 5 and you beat a 6, 4-2??? SANDBAGGER!!!

 

[Coop1701]

You're a 5 and you beat a 6, 4-2??? SANDBAGGER!!!

I get called that at least twice a week... I think it's the most popular word in that bar.

 

[8pack]

I I am a 5 and lost to another 5 tonight. I gave that sandbagger ball in hand 4 times tonight and he beat me 38-33.:angry: Nah I aint quitting......j/ k about that could have been a lot worse if I had not put one break and run on him. Whew !!

On a positive note . We did win 8 ball playoffs tonight. I played a 6 and won 4-2.I love it hen they attempt break and runs and fail. Gives me the opportunity to safety the crap out of them.

you

I don't understand what you're trying to say but I'm pretty sure this is why pool is going down hill in the US.:thumbup:

 

[lorider]

You're a 5 and you beat a 6, 4-2??? SANDBAGGER!!!

I have been called a.sandbagger so often I oughta make it my legal name .

A 5/ 5 beating a 6/6 by 4-2 aint nothing.....compared to a 4/4 beating a 7/8 by 2-1 or a 5/5 beating a 7/9 by 3-2. Seen those 2 matches myself a few weeks ago in a vash tournament.

Was.no sandbagging going on ...in my opinion. Just flat out good shooting by their 4 to beat our 7 and our 5 to beat their 7.our teams faced each other again in the losers side and I beat their 4 who beat our 7 the first time and I won 4-1.

In my opinion the term sandbagger gets shouted out way too often.....sometimes shit just happens.

First place was 4,200.00.with the purse and Calcutta combined.....nobody was was laying down with that kinda money on the line.