I can't get my cue's from the police

Lights Out when my car was broken into the police would not come out.I was told to call and file the report over the phone.I told them then I would like to prosicute and I also told the detective the same when he called.I have not been before a judge with ant type of paper work or warrant because the police said they had a confession and the property.I did get a call from the detective that was first handleing the case all he said was is I would not get anything back until the case was closed and it was still a open case.
Smitty the county is Gwinnett
 
I am sympathetic to your situation but don't threaten them as has been suggested above. 1 have a friend who was stop on a traffic beef. He smart mouthed the cops when he got his beautiful Richard Black cue back ,they had taken a hot wood burning set and burned the case number in the butt and shaft just for meaness.
 
NoBull9 said:
Lights Out when my car was broken into the police would not come out.I was told to call and file the report over the phone.I told them then I would like to prosicute and I also told the detective the same when he called.I have not been before a judge with ant type of paper work or warrant because the police said they had a confession and the property.I did get a call from the detective that was first handleing the case all he said was is I would not get anything back until the case was closed and it was still a open case.
Smitty the county is Gwinnett
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Gwinnett wasn't always that bad to deal with. For government that is. Usually Fulton is the biggest pain in the butt especially if you are from North Fulton.

However I have a feeling Gwinnett is straight up busy with so many Mexicans you'll be lucky to get them back before Pedro becomes president.

How about we raid the police station and do a heist to get them back???
 
1pRoscoe said:
Reading the whole thread before posting may prove your IQ to be perceived higher than it actually is shown....
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Why must people constantly badger others.... is there a high involved or something? Whaterver you say dude.
 
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NoBull9 said:
Lights Out when my car was broken into the police would not come out.I was told to call and file the report over the phone.I told them then I would like to prosicute and I also told the detective the same when he called.I have not been before a judge with ant type of paper work or warrant because the police said they had a confession and the property.I did get a call from the detective that was first handleing the case all he said was is I would not get anything back until the case was closed and it was still a open case.
Smitty the county is Gwinnett
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A lot of larger police departments take crimes against property reports over the phone. If it's a non-violent crime or the property crime is not in progress, they won't send anyone. You do not have to go before a judge if the criminal is caught at the scene. You DO, however, have to sign a complaint against the offender, whether they got a confession or not. Usually at the police department ASAP after the apprehension. The police cannot proceed without your signature as the victim.

This is standard operating proceedure here in Illinois. I would call and ask what happened and for a court date, if in fact someone was caught. They will need you in court as the property owner/victim if nothing else to say you did not give them permission to break into your car and steal your belongings. Hope this helps.

Steve
 
chefjeff said:
Go to the State Attorney General immediately. He's the head cop in the state.

The cops are real busy people...yeah, they're out there writing tickets for those killers who are smoking in bars. Or those violent-prone pot smokers are taking up the cops time...gotta bust them for saying "far out man" too many times. And please don't forget the horrendous crime of having sex for money...geez, those dangerous crooks need a cop once in a while, too, ya know? That you are a victim of a real crime, means that you are on the bottom of the list. Real crime takes real work to solve and prosecute.

I wonder when they're going to catch the creeps who broke into my house six times? Oh, that's right, they said they weren't going to do anything about that, but the police report was necessary for the insurance company. Silly me.

It's a racket, just like all government rackets...and YOU a double victim: one from the crook and once from the monopoly called the "justice" system. My you fare well.

But we can carry 3 oz of shampoo on a plane!

Jeff Livingston
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Jeff, while I can sympathize with you about your experience with your burglaries, there are measures you could have taken after your first burglary to help prevent the subsequent ones. In a perfect world every crime victim would have a police presence 24/7, but obviously that's not realistic. My house was broken into once about 10 years ago. I immediately went out and bought an alarm system and "fortified" my house as to minimize the chances of that happening again. Of course nothing is failproof but unless the burglars know you have a lot of big ticket items worth by-passing alarm systems and other deterents, most will go looking for an easier target.

You also have to understand that all of the "crimes" you mentioned before (with the exception of the public cigarette smokers) breed other crimes. Without trying to sound confrontational, how would you like to have a pot dealer living next to you? Do you have any idea how many prostitutes or their pimps commit violent crimes against their "johns"? Did it occur to you that these pot smokers are the ones breaking into your house to get stuff they can sell or trade for more pot? Again, I don't want to start a major argument but we consider arrests such as these proactive, heading off the minor offenders before they become major offenders to whom we have to become reactive when they commit the major crimes.
 
lights_out said:
Jeff, while I can sympathize with you about your experience with your burglaries, there are measures you could have taken after your first burglary to help prevent the subsequent ones. In a perfect world every crime victim would have a police presence 24/7, but obviously that's not realistic. My house was broken into once about 10 years ago. I immediately went out and bought an alarm system and "fortified" my house as to minimize the chances of that happening again. Of course nothing is failproof but unless the burglars know you have a lot of big ticket items worth by-passing alarm systems and other deterents, most will go looking for an easier target.

You also have to understand that all of the "crimes" you mentioned before (with the exception of the public cigarette smokers) breed other crimes. Without trying to sound confrontational, how would you like to have a pot dealer living next to you? Do you have any idea how many prostitutes or their pimps commit violent crimes against their "johns"? Did it occur to you that these pot smokers are the ones breaking into your house to get stuff they can sell or trade for more pot? Again, I don't want to start a major argument but we consider arrests such as these proactive, heading off the minor offenders before they become major offenders to whom we have to become reactive when they commit the major crimes.
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Thanks for the reply, lights out.

The house was one of my rental properties. The burglaries ended when a new tenant put a sign on the back door that said: "I have a gun and will use it." End of problem.

"Heading off minor offenders" (just who did they offend? hmmmm?) is an peverted use of the justice system. Innocent until proven guilty, and all that. Potential criminals are NOT criminals. Potentiality is not actuality.

I believe in restitution when a crime is committed. May I ask you a question?: Just WHO should a pot dealer or john or working girl restitute after they've gone through the court system? I can't think of anyone who was forced into anything ('cept the john, girl, and dealer, that is). ;)

Jeff Livingston
 
I talked to a cop at the coffee shop yesterday and related your story. His immediate response was that the cops can't control this situation, it is up to the courts. He said the courts don't accept photos of evidence, so you just have to wait. I said, but what about the victim? He said, too bad for him. :(

I wonder what's cluttering up the court system?

Jeff Livingston
 
I am an ex law enforcement officer from ohio...I do have one question for you when you reported that you car had been broken into and your cue and case had been stollen, what dollar amount did you assign to the value of your property. The B&E on your car is one thing but your larceny charge could be listed as a felony based on the amount given. Felony charges are pushed thru harder than misd. just the nature of the beast.
 
Well I guess I'll just sit back and see what happens.I'll be doing my waiting at the Viking Turnament in Atlanta.
 
chefjeff said:
I wonder what's cluttering up the court system?
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Only the fastest growing illegal alien problem in the country. A friend of mine was in jail (For drug charges) and when I wen to visit her I had to wait in the Gwinnett County Jail. In the sitting area the majority of the people where Mexicans. Half of them had trouble visiting because they didn't have a drivers license.

By the way the Gwinnett County Police department is probably the most inpenitrable police station in the world. I swear half of the taxes taken in by Gwinnett county went into that place.
 
chefjeff said:
Thanks for the reply, lights out.

The house was one of my rental properties. The burglaries ended when a new tenant put a sign on the back door that said: "I have a gun and will use it." End of problem.

"Heading off minor offenders" (just who did they offend? hmmmm?) is an peverted use of the justice system. Innocent until proven guilty, and all that. Potential criminals are NOT criminals. Potentiality is not actuality.

I believe in restitution when a crime is committed. May I ask you a question?: Just WHO should a pot dealer or john or working girl restitute after they've gone through the court system? I can't think of anyone who was forced into anything ('cept the john, girl, and dealer, that is). ;)

Jeff Livingston
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An ounce of prevention, blah blah blah... I seriously think that the signs posted on every door and window of my house announcing that I have an alarm system is more effective than the actual system itself. Heck, I'm the only one that sets that thing off. :)

Every offender, major or minor, offended some law, otherwise they wouldn't be an "offender". We don't arrest potential criminals, we do whatever we have to in order to keep them potential criminals. It's when they cross over into the actual that they see the handcuffs.

I agree with you somewhat about the restitution part. But crimes like you mentioned are crimes against society. This is why you sometimes see the orange jumpsuits along the side of the highway picking up trash. Community service is, in a way, restitution to society.

Sorry to hijack your thread.
 
GTeye said:
So I look at the cop and say, Well what do I have to do next? Come down to the precinct file reports? Will I be needed to testify at some point? etc.

He looks at me and says - "Your going to press charges? You mean your going to ruin this 'kids' (he was 22) life because of this?"

It put me into a state of shock and finally after a few seconds I snapped out of it and said "Your damn right".
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And righfully so. These punks (and 22 is damn old enough to know better!) don't stop at petty crimes. They're usually a stepping stone or accessory to other and more severe crimes, as evidenced by the outcome in your situation.
 
lights_out said:
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Every offender, major or minor, offended some law, otherwise they wouldn't be an "offender". We don't arrest potential criminals, we do whatever we have to in order to keep them potential criminals. It's when they cross over into the actual that they see the handcuffs.

I agree with you somewhat about the restitution part. But crimes like you mentioned are crimes against society. This is why you sometimes see the orange jumpsuits along the side of the highway picking up trash. Community service is, in a way, restitution to society.

Sorry to hijack your thread.
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I'm not talking about offending some subjective, get-me-relected "law"... I'm talking about objective law, one that involves coercing a REAL PERSON...you know a real flesh-n-blood victim, not "society." Society is merely a term for a collection of real individuals, none of whom was physically hurt simply by the pot deal or the sex deal. Your reasoning is circular...he's in a jumpsuit because of offending, he's an offender because we put him in a jumpsuit.

The stolen cues, however, do have a real victim and real perp. In fact, it seems the victim has been hurt twice; once by the original theft and once by the delays in justice. That is bad especially since the drug/sex wars take away resources and time that should be used for justice in real crimes against real persons.

Thanks for the civil discourse,

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
I'm not talking about offending some subjective, get-me-relected "law"... I'm talking about objective law, one that involves coercing a REAL PERSON...you know a real flesh-n-blood victim, not "society." Society is merely a term for a collection of real individuals, none of whom was physically hurt simply by the pot deal or the sex deal. Your reasoning is circular...he's in a jumpsuit because of offending, he's an offender because we put him in a jumpsuit.

The stolen cues, however, do have a real victim and real perp. In fact, it seems the victim has been hurt twice; once by the original theft and once by the delays in justice. That is bad especially since the drug/sex wars take away resources and time that should be used for justice in real crimes against real persons.

Thanks for the civil discourse,

Jeff Livingston
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The law is not split into two classifications, objective and subjective, the law is the law. Real people are hurt every day in drug deals and sex deals, you just don't hear about it every day. How many drug deals gone bad have you seen in the news that resulted in someone, dealer or innocent bystander, getting hurt or killed? It is not "my reasoning" that you say is circular, "my reasoning" as you call it is based on fact, statistics, and personal observations.

So, based on your reasoning, we should stop all investigations into drug and sex crimes and reassign all personell to focus on thefts and burglaries? The fact that we have federal agencies dedicated to drug crimes and every major police department has units dedicated to drug and sex crimes should tell you something, how much of a problem it is in America. These police departments have units dedicated to property crimes as well.

The one point I will agree with you on is that the justice system, i.e. the courts, are very screwed up right now.
 
lights_out said:
The law is not split into two classifications, objective and subjective, the law is the law. Real people are hurt every day in drug deals and sex deals, you just don't hear about it every day. How many drug deals gone bad have you seen in the news that resulted in someone, dealer or innocent bystander, getting hurt or killed? It is not "my reasoning" that you say is circular, "my reasoning" as you call it is based on fact, statistics, and personal observations.

So, based on your reasoning, we should stop all investigations into drug and sex crimes and reassign all personell to focus on thefts and burglaries? The fact that we have federal agencies dedicated to drug crimes and every major police department has units dedicated to drug and sex crimes should tell you something, how much of a problem it is in America. These police departments have units dedicated to property crimes as well.

The one point I will agree with you on is that the justice system, i.e. the courts, are very screwed up right now.
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I appreciate your experience with deals gone bad, and I understand exactly what you're saying about the violence associated with drug deals but, I'm obviously not getting my message out. Let me try again...

When real people are hurt--in a drug deal, let's say--why don't they just go to a civilized, small claims court to get satisfaction? Al;so, I don't see bartenders and patrons shooting each other over their drug (read ethanol) deals. Why is that?...it's drugs!:eek: ...in fact, one of the most destructive, deadly drugs in the whole world! There's only one reason: some drugs are illegal, so, with those, no legal recourse is possible in a bad deal, therefore to get even requires retaliatory force outside the justice system, i.e., street violence (gangs, drive-bys, home invasions, etc.). These problems would almost disappear if prohibition was repealed. But, of course, so would much of the govt's (illegitimate and unconstitutional) power, so I'm not holding my breath.;)

The objective and subjective terms describe accurately the difference between good law and bad law. I know you don't make the laws, but you do choose to be a law-enforcement officer....it's your job.

Based on my reasoning, people should stop harming those who have harmed no one else. That would lessen the violence problems in society by about 95% or so. That criminals do it, makes cops' jobs necessary and good; that cops (with orders from politicians) do it, makes their job trouble causing and bad. See what I'm saying?

Jeff Livingston
 
I think Jeff's point is more like this:

1) Drug dealer capping some guy over a deal gone bad

2) Some guy getting baked in the privacy of his own home, chowing on some chips, and conking out

Both are drug-related crimes, according to the law. But surely the difference is clear as far as "who's the victim"?
 
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I had a small run-in with this 'keep it till it's over',s thing myself, I got them to copy $650,00 on their copy machine they were holding after a raid on my club for open after-hours. It worked!! Could they take pic of it with a sworn statement?? Just a blond;)
 
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