Idea for New Break Rule

IamCalvin06

IamCalvin06

Yang "The Son of Pool"
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Since so much has been made about Corey's soft break...

I think we all agree 10ball is alittle harder to figure out the break.

I commend corey on his research but still ... the general public is gonna get bored.

So lets just make everyone break from the Spot!

I've thought about this for a few days now. If corey figures out how to break soft from the SPOT and be affective then i'll leave this issue alone.

I bet corey thinks the guys that complain about his break and say you have to break hard. "wow what a bunch of bangers"

yet i still found a way to remain nuetral on this subject yeah?:rolleyes:
 
IamCalvin06 said:
...If corey figures out how to break soft from the SPOT and be affective then i'll leave this issue alone...
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Not IF, but WHEN Corey figures it out.
 
If they get where they are making the one almost every time, then some adjustment will have to be made. I think breaking from the spot will not be accepted, but maybe we will go through some of the alternatives tried before in 9-ball, like racking with the one in front of the spot, etc.
By the way, this is a brilliant post from IamCalvin.
 
I don't really think they should do anything to stop Corey's 10-ball soft break, at least not yet. Let him soft break, and if it really turns out to be a superior break, let the other players invest the time to perfect it too. If it turns out that everyone's soft breaking in 10-ball and if there is truly some evidence that it hurts the game somehow, then they can do something about it at that point, if absolutely necessary.

Personally, I think it's cool that he's thinking outside the box like this and coming up with innovative strategies for the break shot. Especially if he's the only one doing it, then I don't think it would be boring. It adds variety to the game and helps to differentiate him from other competitors.

The more you can tell the players apart by their style of play, the more interesting they become and the more interesting pool becomes as a spectator sport, in my opinion.

FWIW, I really liked some of the arguments you made in defense of his soft break in the other thread.
 
Thanks go out to Chesscat and Cuebacca! I think you guys are the only two who read anything i post! lol

I dont think there is anything wrong with breaking soft as long as its effective.

I just think alot (i mean alot) of players have the mentality that 10ball is gonna be like 9ball where its a shootout. Perhaps 10ball is like str8 or 1pocket. The break is somewhat defensive and the rest of the game is about who can "out move" the other.

Alot of guys wanna just break and run out. Would you try to break and runout in 1pocket or str8? I think not....

And before i get burned here... I'm ALL for RUNNING OUT

Corey's 10ball soft break is nothing at all like 9ball soft breaking.

9ball you can soft break and run out quite easily but with 10ball its more of a break and safe game IMO

Take it FWIW and see how it plays out! Hell try and see if you can do it too!
 
Not that my opinion matters but personally I think it's all bull...

I think you should be able to break how you like.. Players moan about others breaks because they can't do it as well.. If they could then what's the moan about? So the guy breaks and runs 4 games.. You play just as good basically so learn the break and do it too..

You don't hear a player of this calibur moan about the other player is too good do you? Well, Breaking is part of the game.. If he spends more time figuring out the break than others then maybe they should take more time on learning the breaks..

Anyway, My thoughts are its all bull.. I've gambled with Raj Hundal and Tyler Edey and I understand where some may get frustrated that one keeps breaking and running out.. But breaking is part of the game.. Learn it or get left behind.. Don't cry over it..

Raj blistered my azz because I had no shot at matching the break.. He was breaking too good.. Tyler did the same to me.. I talked Edey into giving up the breaks and I won.. Yet I was getting torched with the 7 ball..

So I completely understand the cry over the break.. Do I think they should make new rules on how to break.. Nope.. I just think more time should be spent on learning to perfect it like some others have..

Just my worthless thoughts.. I'm sure I have no idea what I'm saying but I said it anyway...
 
I have not yet seen Corey's new soft break in 10-ball, but I can't imagine anyone's 10ball break to be better the SVB's in the race to 100. Consistant results and patterns. Second ball in the pack from the side he was breaking on rolls into the side pocket 85 percent of the time. And he had shape on the one to be played in the corner pocket at the head of the table.

Sure I commend Corey for his soft break, but innovative or not, it's gonna be hard for him to put some packs on people when dealing with the clusters it may leave, as opposed to SVB's hard break that leaves everything wide open and has a shot on the 1. Hell I think he 7-packed Corey at one point in that race to 100. 7 racks go by without Corey getting to the table.

Soft break may become the next big thing in 10-ball, like it did in 9ball, but I can't see anything being better then SVB's hard break in 10-ball.
 
3rd Party Rack

Icon of Sin said:
I have not yet seen Corey's new soft break in 10-ball, but I can't imagine anyone's 10ball break to be better the SVB's in the race to 100. Consistant results and patterns. Second ball in the pack from the side he was breaking on rolls into the side pocket 85 percent of the time. And he had shape on the one to be played in the corner pocket at the head of the table.

Sure I commend Corey for his soft break, but innovative or not, it's gonna be hard for him to put some packs on people when dealing with the clusters it may leave, as opposed to SVB's hard break that leaves everything wide open and has a shot on the 1. Hell I think he 7-packed Corey at one point in that race to 100. 7 racks go by without Corey getting to the table.

Soft break may become the next big thing in 10-ball, like it did in 9ball, but I can't see anything being better then SVB's hard break in 10-ball.
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I think in the race to 100 they should have a 3rd party rack the balls.

Would people consider it cheating if in rack your own 10 ball players were gapping balls cerain ways to make them more often?

Not accusing anyone just wanted to get a few opinions on it.

Also noticed Alex and Shane broke from the same spot most of the match so far, must be a sweet spot on that table?
 
IamCalvin06 said:
Since so much has been made about Corey's soft break...

I think we all agree 10ball is alittle harder to figure out the break.

I commend corey on his research but still ... the general public is gonna get bored.

So lets just make everyone break from the Spot!

I've thought about this for a few days now. If corey figures out how to break soft from the SPOT and be affective then i'll leave this issue alone.

I bet corey thinks the guys that complain about his break and say you have to break hard. "wow what a bunch of bangers"

yet i still found a way to remain nuetral on this subject yeah?:rolleyes:
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In the end Cory and anyone else using a soft break or a hard break is a pool player, not an entertainer. Thier primary objective is to win, not entertain an audience with a sledgehammer break.

If you figured out a soft break where you were assured a ball off the break on a high percentage of the time I'm sure you would use it too.

It's not the soft break thats the problem, it's the short attention span of the audience that's the problem. People used to watch straight pool on TV, the perception that things have to be fast paced in order to hold the audiences attention is false. How else do you explain the large audiences that golf and curling get? These two sports make watching paint dry seem like a day at the track yet they have a huge following.

I don't see a problem with the soft break.
 
IamCalvin06 said:
Since so much has been made about Corey's soft break...

I think we all agree 10ball is alittle harder to figure out the break.

I commend corey on his research but still ... the general public is gonna get bored.

So lets just make everyone break from the Spot!

I've thought about this for a few days now. If corey figures out how to break soft from the SPOT and be affective then i'll leave this issue alone.

I bet corey thinks the guys that complain about his break and say you have to break hard. "wow what a bunch of bangers"

yet i still found a way to remain nuetral on this subject yeah?:rolleyes:
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Well, people can make straight-in shots pretty well, better than making a ball on the break each time, should they be made to shoot them opposite-handed? Making everyone break from the same area, it takes out the whole "skill and knowledge" away from the shot. You may as well have a set template where the balls are palced on the table before you start a game.

I think the move to 10-ball vs. 9-ball as a tournament standard should be made, it's harder to make a ball off the break. Right now half the B players I play with can make a ball most of the time in 9-ball. Some even can play shape witht the cue-ball. The break skill in 9-ball has been developed and tought to the point of being as common as knowing the 3-rail shot off the corner or a cross-side bank.

The physical layout of the 9-ball rack is conducive to making a ball, 10-ball is quite a bit harder. You are either playing the 1-ball in the side or hoping the corner balls don't hit traffic before heading around the table.

Picking a single spot to break from would take away a lot from one of the key shots in pool.
 
The problems with the soft break are numerous.

1. It's boring. Moving to a soft break would eliminate the only "Big Atheletic Move" in the entire game. You can HEAR the audience reaction to a killer break both in the cheers of the spectators and the voices of the TV commentators.

2. To the extent that it leads to a greater liklihood of pocketing a ball on the break and leaving a shot on the lowest ball (which is certainly the case in 9 Ball) then it makes the game easier when it is already accused of being too easy (9 Ball).

So, there is a transition to 10 Ball and then a move to make THAT game easier. Sort of defeats the purpose.

The hard break is SORT of like the slam dunk in basketball. I say SORT of because in pool there is a "results-oriented" purpose to the hard break. In basketball, the only purpose of the slam dunk is to showboat for the audience which LOVES IT!

And the latter aspect is where the analogy takes hold...i.e. if you don't do everything you can to please the spectators then you don't have a spectator sport...and then you don't have a professional tour/league that amounts to anything financially.

So the ONE reason to ban the soft break is absolutely overwhelming for anyone who wants a pro tour to endure. PLEASE THE AUDIENCE.

Not to hijack the thread but....DITTO for the jump cue.

Regards,
Jim
 
Nine Ball said:
Not that my opinion matters but personally I think it's all bull...

I think you should be able to break how you like.. Players moan about others breaks because they can't do it as well.. If they could then what's the moan about? So the guy breaks and runs 4 games.. You play just as good basically so learn the break and do it too..


It could not have been said better! The break is just that, a small moment to get the game started. Who really cares about that? the fans-no, other players-i would be surprised, tournament officials- that would be a joke.

Players should protest against this rule. And the ones that cry about other players breaking the way they want should be punched in the face!! People don't turn on their televisions just to see the "big" break. ITs about winning and making a living for these players, not about show other wise watch the WWE...
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Nine Ball said:
It could not have been said better! The break is just that, a small moment to get the game started. Who really cares about that? the fans-no, other players-i would be surprised, tournament officials- that would be a joke.

Players should protest against this rule. And the ones that cry about other players breaking the way they want should be punched in the face!! People don't turn on their televisions just to see the "big" break. ITs about winning and making a living for these players, not about show other wise watch the WWE...
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That "small moment" has been called the single most important shot in 9-blal by more than one pro.

I do agree that people should break how they want. I have had one person break very soft against me in 8-ball so as not to open up the table to prevent me from running out. Instead of taking that as him being a bastard, I took it as a smart strategy to use when matched against a better opponent.

The only people that really care about how hard they break are high-school jocks that average .25 balls an inning when they try to impress their dates. Oh, and Earl Strickland.
 
IamCalvin06 said:
Since so much has been made about Corey's soft break...

I think we all agree 10ball is alittle harder to figure out the break.

...THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH SOFT BREAKING IN 10 BALL IS THAT IF YOU DO MAKE A BALL YOUR USUALLY F**KED. THE ONLY ADVANTAGE FROM SOFT BREAKING IN 10 BALL IS TO PUT YOUR OPPONENT ON "TILT" AND REALLY THAT IS ALL HE IS TRYING TO DO. IF PLAYS SOMEONE THAT THIS SAFE BREAK (HIDING THE CB WITH EVERY BREAK) DOESN'T PISS OF THEN IT SEEMS LIKE HE IS USUALLY IN TROUBLE AND BACK PEDELLING THE ENTIRE MATCH.

TRUTHFULLY, I COULD CARE LESS HOW SOMEONE BREAKS, I MEAN IT IS THEIR SHOT. I JUST THINK FROM AN OFFENSIVE POINT IN 10 BALL YOUR BEST BET IS TO PUT SOME ASS BEHIND THAT BREAK...JS
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J$Cincy said:
...THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH SOFT BREAKING IN 10 BALL IS THAT IF YOU DO MAKE A BALL YOUR USUALLY F**KED. THE ONLY ADVANTAGE FROM SOFT BREAKING IN 10 BALL IS TO PUT YOUR OPPONENT ON "TILT" AND REALLY THAT IS ALL HE IS TRYING TO DO.
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Corey's break was a 2-way shot on the 1-ball. The 1-ball goes towards the side pocket, and he plays shape for the 2 below the stack.

The only match I saw was the one posted on AZBTV.com, and I don't think he made the 1-ball the whole time, but it was clear that if he did, he'd be in control of the table with the cue ball close to the 2 and the 2 close to the corner pocket.
 
Corey uses the soft break because he, and everyone else knows where the 2 ball is going. Why not rack at random? why put any of the balls, but the 10,and 1 in any certain location? The game is a rotation game, it should be random.

When players get to rack, they are going sequence the balls to their advantage if they are breaking or not, unless there is a rule to stop it.

I disagree about having to break hard to "please" the crowd....screw that! let the crowd try to make a living shooting pool! What other sport does the crowd get to dictate play? I think we all have seen that the break is NOT the reason pool sux on TV.....ESPN..... The same people that like big loud break shots like....long drive competitions.....RPS....WWF....monster trucks....strong man competition from Malta:rolleyes: <<I actually like that one!:D

G.
 
Doesn't 9-ball stipulate that a certain amount of balls have to end-up beyond the side pocket? Maybe 10 ball should do the same.
 
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