If you could do almost anything....

crofford

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In my younger days I was very much into the billiards world. Then I was heads down in my career for over 30 years. I’ve now retired and I just bought a house with a giant game room. I’ve always said when I bought my next table I would go all out. I’ve considered restoring an antique table or having something custom made. I think I would like to do both a 9” table and a snooker table. Although I want to do something that looks beautiful, I want it to be a perfect players table first. I’ve looked through the online inventory of Blatt Billiards, as well as current Brunswick, Olhausen, AE Schmidt, and Diamond. I’ve never previously heard of Porter and Sons but the Fountainebleau looks beautiful.
Since I’ve been out of the billiards world for awhile, what should I be considering? I’m in Scottsdale, AZ but I’m willing to visit most anyplace.
 
It appears from your post that you & i would have very different esthetics afa table design.
However, given the classic references: i am impressed with the Porter work you link, but not really with the trueness of their somewhat “mashed up” allusions to classic design names.

Since you ask, something true to Duncan Phyfe’s late work: perfect massing of clean forms, line, and shadow covered completely in matched crotch and burl mahogany. Phyfe was not necessarily devoid of carving or detail ornamentation, but fundamentally the shapes created the impression & carried it with grace & elegance.

If you like ornamentation & inlay (marquetry/parquetry) none ever did it better than Herter Bros. Lyrical, magical inlays & pattern composition. Unfortunately, they worked during a period when the expected shapes of furniture was not only clunky, but overwrought in applied detail.

going back to the previous century, just before the Terror hit France, i’ve sometimes tried to imagine what Marie‘s or Catherine the great’s table would have looked like if they had commissioned it from David Roentgen along with all the other furniture they bought from him. Something clean, though - along the lines of his Ben Franklin works tall clock. Though you might appreciate one with refernces to, say, the Apollo desk with ormolu mounts & all. And a few secret compartments.....

Personally, the mystery that nags at me from time to time is “how would E. J. have resolved the billiards table question?”
There is a travesty you can find by googling that pretends to being Ruhlmann inspired; it is barely a half baked assemblage of generic forms plopped together on a vaguely ruhlmanesque base. Emile himself would certainly have done it better & even your wife or mistress would be faint with desire until you acquired it.

Which gets back to the fact that when function is of essence, it is really difficult to exceed a Brunswick Anniversary or Centennial and do it with elegance. Or some of the cleaner massive turn of the last century BBC’s that were rare at the time and seldom if ever seen again. A couple decades later BBC also published a catalog during the mid 1920’s that showed perhaps 10 or a dozen custom tables they had built for people lik3 Andrew Carnegie et al.

good luck!
it does sound like fun.
smt
 
In my younger days I was very much into the billiards world. Then I was heads down in my career for over 30 years. I’ve now retired and I just bought a house with a giant game room. I’ve always said when I bought my next table I would go all out. I’ve considered restoring an antique table or having something custom made. I think I would like to do both a 9” table and a snooker table. Although I want to do something that looks beautiful, I want it to be a perfect players table first. I’ve looked through the online inventory of Blatt Billiards, as well as current Brunswick, Olhausen, AE Schmidt, and Diamond. I’ve never previously heard of Porter and Sons but the Fountainebleau looks beautiful.
Since I’ve been out of the billiards world for awhile, what should I be considering? I’m in Scottsdale, AZ but I’m willing to visit most anyplace.
Honestly if I were in the position to buy any table and budget weren't a major concern, I'd probably get a customized 9' Diamond with the matching light and all the do dads like chairs, etc. They just play so well. I love antique tables and they are amazing but a Diamond is hard to beat. I think it would be amazing to have a 10' "bigfoot table" or a carom/pocketless table with the heated bed. It might be cool to have a Chinese 8 ball table, but who knows... they are odd for us Americans, but sometimes something unique really gets my interest.

It's really neat to think of an old antique table that has been tuned by some of the best mechanics in the country, that could be an amazing thing.
 
It appears from your post that you & i would have very different esthetics afa table design.
However, given the classic references: i am impressed with the Porter work you link, but not really with the trueness of their somewhat “mashed up” allusions to classic design names.

Since you ask, something true to Duncan Phyfe’s late work: perfect massing of clean forms, line, and shadow covered completely in matched crotch and burl mahogany. Phyfe was not necessarily devoid of carving or detail ornamentation, but fundamentally the shapes created the impression & carried it with grace & elegance.

If you like ornamentation & inlay (marquetry/parquetry) none ever did it better than Herter Bros. Lyrical, magical inlays & pattern composition. Unfortunately, they worked during a period when the expected shapes of furniture was not only clunky, but overwrought in applied detail.

going back to the previous century, just before the Terror hit France, i’ve sometimes tried to imagine what Marie‘s or Catherine the great’s table would have looked like if they had commissioned it from David Roentgen along with all the other furniture they bought from him. Something clean, though - along the lines of his Ben Franklin works tall clock. Though you might appreciate one with refernces to, say, the Apollo desk with ormolu mounts & all. And a few secret compartments.....

Personally, the mystery that nags at me from time to time is “how would E. J. have resolved the billiards table question?”
There is a travesty you can find by googling that pretends to being Ruhlmann inspired; it is barely a half baked assemblage of generic forms plopped together on a vaguely ruhlmanesque base. Emile himself would certainly have done it better & even your wife or mistress would be faint with desire until you acquired it.

Which gets back to the fact that when function is of essence, it is really difficult to exceed a Brunswick Anniversary or Centennial and do it with elegance. Or some of the cleaner massive turn of the last century BBC’s that were rare at the time and seldom if ever seen again. A couple decades later BBC also published a catalog during the mid 1920’s that showed perhaps 10 or a dozen custom tables they had built for people lik3 Andrew Carnegie et al.

good luck!
it does sound like fun.
smt
If not for a few less than significant typo's, this might be the most sophisticated reply in all of AZBilliards.
 
Blatt's Billiards. Cosmetically outstanding....however not a players table. If I could..would be a table from Mark Gregory or Jerimy Chambers. Next the new Brunswick Centennial followed by a black matte GC6. Honorable mention is Diamond Pro in 2 tone.
 
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