illegal jump (scoop shot)

prad said:
And why is this shot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQpYo2uv-rU&feature=player_embedded#t=91s) not illegal ? (it was a jump shot)
the jump action hitting the 1 ball is resulted from miscue which appears to be same as in the posted illegal jump shot.
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It's a matter of intent. The player was trying to play the 1-9 combo with draw. The miscue was not intentional. (Actually, the miscue was intentional for the purposes of illustration, but in the situation being illustrated it was not intentional.)
 
Bob Jewett said:
It's a matter of intent. The player was trying to play the 1-9 combo with draw. The miscue was not intentional. (Actually, the miscue was intentional for the purposes of illustration, but in the situation being illustrated it was not intentional.)
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Mr. Jewitt,

Back in the day, I shot jump shots in the manner that is now & perhaps even was illiegal back then although it may not have been well known & was not being enforced. I certainly did not intend to shoot an illegal shot & stopped as it was made known to be illegal.

I did not scoop the ball & there was no detectable signs of a miscue. It was almost like deflecting the ball up off the cloth.

Can you tell me why in that case the shot would be illegal. When was this type of shot made illegal. Was it when many started scooping the ball. vs hitting through it?

Thanks in advance for you insight.

Best Regards,
Rick
 
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ENGLISH! said:
Back in the day, I shot jump shots in the manner that is now & perhaps even was illiegal back then although it may not have been well known & was not being enforced. I certainly did not intend to shoot an illegal shot & stooped as it was made known to be illegal.

I did not scoop the ball & there was no detectable signs of a miscue. It was almost like deflecting the ball up off the cloth.
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How is this possible? I don't believe you could get that much deflection by hitting the ball extremely low, even using a very tip-heavy cue. Wouldn't the result be drawing the CB as opposed to it jumping up at an extreme angle?

Please explain, if you don't mind.
 
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Sloppy Pockets said:
How is this possible? I don't believe you could get that much deflection by hitting the ball extremely low, even using a very tip-heavy cue. Wouldn't the result be drawing the CB as opposed to it jumping up at an extreme angle?

Please explain, if you don't mind.
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The key is a very low level cue & I always used very soft tips. Now I am not talking about jump shots with the obstruction close to the cue ball, no 'extreme angle'. The obstruction was well in front of the CB & generally was only over a part of a ball and rarely over a full ball. I would often nip the obstructing ball when trying a full ball. Also there may have been some that were technical miscues but I did not feel them & you could not really hear them either. The thing is, I was not trying to shoot illegally & I did not scoop the ball as my bridge hand remained stationary on the table until the shot was basically over.
 
Sloppy Pockets said:
How is this possible? I don't believe you could get that much deflection by hitting the ball extremely low, even using a very tip-heavy cue. Wouldn't the result be drawing the CB as opposed to it jumping up at an extreme angle?

Please explain, if you don't mind.
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I think it is basically extreme squirt. The bottom of the tip is against the table when it hits the cue ball and you effectively have the mass of the table added to the mass of the tip. The technique requires the tip to be on the cloth which is against all your training.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think it is basically extreme squirt. The bottom of the tip is against the table when it hits the cue ball and you effectively have the mass of the table added to the mass of the tip. The technique requires the tip to be on the cloth which is against all your training.
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OK, I think I get it. So, the tip has to strike the cloth and the bottom of the ball simultaneously and the ball leaves the tip before a second hit against the side of the shaft can occur, is that correct?
 
Sloppy Pockets said:
OK, I think I get it. So, the tip has to strike the cloth and the bottom of the ball simultaneously and the ball leaves the tip before a second hit against the side of the shaft can occur, is that correct?
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If you're trying the shot, I think it is easier to slide the stick along the cloth rather than try to hit ball and cloth simultaneously.
 
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