I'm Starting to Hate "Kitchen" BIH in Bar

[crosseyedjoe]

Almost got into a fight 2 nights ago. I wasn't able to control myself for shouting, "that's stupid." Some dude thought that it's a cool move to intentionally foul, so he can snooker you. Even his buddy said, "don't do that." Remember most bar rules don't employ BIH on foul.

Why can't these people see that if they can do it, then the other player can do the same thing? Thus the stupidity of the whole thing.

 

[BillYards]

Two thoughts on this that first, scratching on purpose for your advantage is no different than playing a safety. Its like a safety in a different form. So if you don't have problems with safties, which obviously anyone who has played the game at any level knows is proper, than to be logically consistent you can't really have a problem with the intentional scratch either. However, to have the rule in the first place is completely absurd. So if your going to be playing in bars, hence knowing your going to be playing by bar rules and you don't have problems with safties, then playing by the rules is simply fair, even if you don't like it. But the reason you wouldn't like it is because the other guy is trying to beat you by any legal means necessary. Well if you don't want to play people that are trying to beat you as hard as they can. Don't play. With that said, bar rules are absurd. And lastly, some advice. Simply ask, if you guys can play by APA rules, if the answer is no, then the answer to play is no. Problem solved.

I gotta completely agree with Runoutallover... scratching is perfectly legal under bar rules and is not a "loophole" as was stated in the first post.

The rules will drive you nuts, but you can play within them and have a great time driving your opponents nuts too. I wait until they pull a chickensh#t move, then it is GAME ON and I will use whatever method available to me within the rules to WIN.

I will shoot his balls in. I will scratch straight in or off any ball. I will shoot at a ball that is in the kitchen when I am given BIH behind the headstring. I will kick into the air.

After some jerk starts it, let it rip and have fun. You can really get some good entertainment this way if you can avoid a fight. I can't play real bar-room rules down here and I miss it. I would love to go beat-up on some hicks in the local bar about three times a year, just to get it outta my system.

It can be good for your game because your intensity and focus ratchets up as your anger rises and you just gotta win when confronted with some of the crap these guys will pull on you.

 

[tigerallenyim]

i've had encountered this many times, and don't even get steamed any more from this tactic. I simply have to think that if that if this is how it's going to be played, so be it... but i won't be beaten by it. I don't really know how to explain it... it's likely basically telling them silently that they can't win this way with me... period. Much like safties, they can attempt to beat me that way, but i've learned how to kick better at each time, and eventually they stop attempting to safe me.

 

[crosseyedjoe]

i've had encountered this many times, and don't even get steamed any more from this tactic. I simply have to think that if that if this is how it's going to be played, so be it... but i won't be beaten by it. I don't really know how to explain it... it's likely basically telling them silently that they can't win this way with me... period. Much like safties, they can attempt to beat me that way, but i've learned how to kick better at each time, and eventually they stop attempting to safe me.

Honestly, it's not the safety factor that annoys me. It's the absurdity of the consequences of the intentional scratch or intentional foul. Imagine a game that results to a never-ending scratches or intentional foul safeties match. And some people thinks it's cool and perfectly OK even in a bar where many people are lined up to play.

Fortunately, there are players who will give an honest try just to keep the game moving. Those people get my respect easily.

NOTE: I'm a small framed guy, not good for me counter-irritating other people specially the drunk ones.

 

[Omar]

It's a shame some people play like that. I had similar expierence about 2 months ago. I knew this guy played league, so he knew what the REAL rules were. I asked if we were playing league rules or, as they call it "straight eight" rules....same as "bar rules". It was his table, so his decision. I broke and ran 6 balls, leaving the CB behind the 8 ball. I, being a little smart ass, said "you better run 'em out on me". Then he just barely touches the CB with his tip. He replied with something like, "I know how to play pool too...you know?" I then said, "that is a perfect example why there are a standard set of rule and if I win, those are the rules we are going to play by." He ended up beating me, but quit playing for the night...good ridence.

I really don't play eight ball anymore, but I played it a lot in bars during my drinking years. The easiest way to lose a rack of eight ball is to run six. The only thing that makes the game remotely hard is that the other guys soldiers are in your way. Haven't you ever seen somebody pull that old hustle where they spot the opponent half the rack, removing them from the table after the break?

If you want to beat the typical banger, don't attempt to run out until you know you can. Leaving three or four balls on the table until the end prevents him from pulling the kind of crap you are complaining about. Make a couple of balls, try to maintain a superior position. Bump his balls into trouble whenever it is convenient. For that matter, even when it isn't...